Death metal on the td20 with BFD3

[scottyp]

Using my TD20 to trigger BFD3 by FXpansion... This is one of my own bands songs... (its very very very heavy)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5K6niohOs4

[viperwolf]

Respect on your bass work, but i was tired after watching.

[viperwolf]

BTW i watched your TM-2 setup, thanks for sharing

[scottyp]

I used to play single strokes.. I as well would get too tired so I switched to heel toe.. To be honest long runs of double bass are getting kinda old of me and I just want to play slow grooves now.
I feel a major transition in my style and playing happening and I love it. but it may involve a switch to a single pedal as well.

[Intruder]

I used to play single strokes.. I as well would get too tired so I switched to heel toe.. To be honest long runs of double bass are getting kinda old of me and I just want to play slow grooves now.
I feel a major transition in my style and playing happening and I love it. but it may involve a switch to a single pedal as well.

Thank you for that!
I find that fast double bass machine gun sound gets boring to my ears very fast.
But I'm old!

[BDrums]

ScottyP, nice work. Actually *****in' fast work. It's not my styel of music, but I do listen to Octane on XM and get exposed to many of the modern hard rock / metal bands through Octane. I find that the 'Cookie Monster' is quite the prominent vocalist in many of these groups But seriously, you seem to play fast, effortlessly. Rock on! I grew up playing in hard rock bands and learned to play really loud and aggressively... but with lots of effort to do so, I am tyring to change how I play to use less arm and more hands / wrists. To compete with Marshall stacks, I used to use 3S marching sticks! Ouch!

[viperwolf]

I used to play single strokes.. I as well would get too tired so I switched to heel toe.. To be honest long runs of double bass are getting kinda old of me and I just want to play slow grooves now.
I feel a major transition in my style and playing happening and I love it. but it may involve a switch to a single pedal as well.

I respect that, Death metal was never my thing. The hardest i was into and still listen is Slayer and old Metallic, from justice and back. Lars use to be an ok drummer for that time and style. Im not sure what happened to him. I guess he got lazy? But i listen to and try to adapt to everything from Korn and Dream Theater to classical,latin and anything in between. ( except country lol, i just cannot get into that style for some reason).

Anyway, I think as drummers we have a style we love, but eventually see the strengths in other forms of playing. I have a long way to go and stopped playing for years bc of Military stuff. Im waiting on my kit to arrive any day now.

Bc you have established your speed, i think your transition will be pretty good and easy. Actually i look forward to it. Do you have a video on how your using that technique?
Is it the same like Virgil Donati technique?

Dont give up the double bass, it has its place in any style, and you will miss it if you give it up all together.

[scottyp]

A video of what technique? the feet or hands? I have a few videos of both on how I do them and how i have everything set up.

will continue playing metal with my band forsure. I also play in a punk band, but I find when I play solo I'm really getting into more grooves and funk type stuff. Playing slow and working on accents, keeping the hihat going and independence are my favourite challenge right now. same with rudiments. I skipped all that stuff as I have played in bands for YEARS, but kind of skipped all the formal training and have a ton of bad habits. haha.

I started some online lessons at mikeslessons.com and I have to say I have learnt more in the last 2 months than the last 5 years and have never been this motivated. It's quite differnt than the stuff I play so it should be interesting to see where it takes me.

3S? wow. haha.. I use 55A now, they are between a 5a and a 5b, Those sound like tree trunks.

and also, the cookie monster vocals I could do without, but it comes with the style of music. haha

[viperwolf]

i was talking about your bass tech, i found the one on your hands. Like you i went the wrong direction with learning the right way. At the time the Crue,Skidrow,Cinderella, Metallica,Slayer,Dream Theater and later Korn is all wanted to play. I found the basics and went with it. Instead of playing the drum with the marching band like i should have, i played football. I could have learned alot from marching. Now im starting over and looking for a good online school to teach me rudiments the right way. i would rather find a person that can look at my technique and critic it as i play. I know there are 40 of them...

However knowing all this makes you a machine,(this is good and bad) how many drummers sound the same? Alot
The hard part is keeping your own style and utilizing accents to favor the song, which ever it may be. We are the time keepers and foundation, but we need to feel what the song needs from us also. Just my opinion

[scottyp]

I have 2 videos I made of my double stroke foot technique. I have recently changed how I do it as my skin isn't quite as tight.. it sounds more like a kick. but when I trigger live it can be tight... I found having a bit of rebound helps... I use pearl demon drives now too. I used to use axis pedals and made some custom heel risers for them. It's pretty cool to do patterns like RRl RRl but i mostly use it for long runs of rrllrrllrrllrrll where I don't want to burn out my legs and I can focus on my hands more... Doing a blast beat is enough of a workout without running in place. hahah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIU_RZz3GOo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FTSLL2tD0E

I was able to get over 260bpm playing clean on the mesh head with my td20.... My current band most of our stuff is in the 200 - 240 range.

while jamming today though it was paradiddles, keeping it to around 80/90 BPM, and just rocking out

I agree about sounding the same.. with deathmetal its all balls to the wall.. 16th notes, and no dynamics. not always the case but at these speeds its hard to be creative and add some dynamic textures. I'm usually more worried about playing fast enough and making it threw the part rather than an accent or tasteful fill.

[viperwolf]

Thank you for the links to your vids, i watched them a few times now. My kit will not be here until this week sometime, i want to try this. not for lightening speed, but to help with training my feet

[scottyp]

I'll see if i get time to make a video of some cool patterns you can do... but at the end of the day this technique is mostly for speed.. if I want a double stroke I do a slide for the second hit. which I DO have a video for i made a few years ago. lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jfa_MQgBy0

the audio is crap... But if I was to do a beat like that doing heel toe would be weird to switch back and fourth... if your doing rrL rrL rrL rrL on the feet you could keep your right foot in the heel toe position if that makes sense.