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  • One PA to rule them all?

    Daughter got an Alesis Nitro Mesh kit for Christmas. My $100 PA from Monoprice isn't cutting it.
    Better than nothing, but it's pretty quiet. It'll play music pretty loud but the drums are pretty quiet.

    I looked into a dedicated drum amp but have read that most of them are basically PA speakers re-branded as drum amps.
    If that's the case, I'd rather have a multi-purpose PA that we could use for vocals, karaoke, etc.
    Is there some requirements in particular I should look at when selecting a PA that would be used for drums? Minimum wattage, speaker size, number of speakers, etc?

    The JBL EON stuff looks nice, but I can't see how much power the "Pro" one has.
    The EON ONE is listed as "250W LF, 130W HF", so total power is 380 and is 1x10" + 6x2".
    The EON ONE Pro is portable with a rechargeable battery but only lists power amp as "250W Class D". It is also 6x2" but a smaller 1x8".

    Has anybody used these for drums before?... think they'd work out well?
    If they're okay for drums, and I'm taking it for granted that they're good for music and voice... my next question would be, do you think it could be used at the same time for drums and vocals?
    I know the whole reason PA systems have like 7 channels is because they can handle multiple things at the same time... but didn't know if drums are a different beast.

    We get crazy on our street sometimes with guitars, microphones, keyboards, etc. The guitars have their own amps though.

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    None of the above.....

    Taken from usual daily "what speaker" response:

    Minimum of 12" woofers, speakers on stands, tweeters at ear height. Test by playing Prodigy's Firestarter thru at full pelt.
    (as for make and model - that depends on your budget)

    - avoid powered speakers (if amp dies then you lose the speaker), and those things that are just badged up floor wedges with pretend power output figures.
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    • #3
      Hmm...

      I have a pair of JBL eon 615 (among a bunch of about 20 powered speakers from EV, Mackie Thump etc)..these are nice and can definitely be a multipurpose kind of speakers! Never tried the EON One...I would say that these kind of speakers is more for acoustic instrument gigs. (These type of column PA speakers are very popular - but I think Bose is leading here). On more traditional powered speakers - QSC is very popular on this site. :-)

      I think you definitely can buy powered speakers...these days there is very hard to blow a class D amp...and to buy a passive speaker with a separate AMPs sounds like old fashion these days. (I have a small passive linearray system with separate amps...which I used last time ...hmmm....4 years ago...)

      Regarding battery powered speakers...my daughter asked me if I had any last summer...she was going to the beach and I asked myself...why don’t I have any battery powered speakers? :-)

      So I bought a pair of Mackie Freeplay Live...4 kg each, 15h battery and 150 W each...and a sound which made my daughter and hear friends very happy....and the rest of the beach very angry! :-) I can’t imagine how much 4 kg can generate - fantastic!

      Best regards

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      • #4
        One PA to rule them all? Possibly the EV Evolve 50... but you might be thinking cheaper.

        I disagree with avoiding powered speakers for OP. A broken amp or speaker still means no sound unless you carry spares. Go passive only if you are are specialist. I would say OP wants something powerful and easy to setup.

        The Alesis Strike Amp 12 is currently one of the most powerful PAs you can get for the least amount of money, highly rated for edrums because of the deeper kick voicing.

        You should have a mixer for connecting multiple instruments before going to a PA system that faces the crowd. In addition, you should use a dedicated PA for personal monitoring, however the Strike Amp 12 will be loud enough on it's own for your bandmates to hear as long as they perform within it's vicinity. You could pole mount it behind you ideally, but wear some hearing protection when you have it cranked behind your head.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Kabonfaiba View Post
          You should have a mixer for connecting multiple instruments before going to a PA system that faces the crowd.
          I'm not sure I understand.
          Most PA systems I've been seeing include a built-in mixer.
          For PA systems that don't, how would you connect multiple instruments without a mixer.

          Or, are you suggesting to not use the built-in one?

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          • #6
            ... so I can look at those line array type speakers as long as they have a 12" speaker?
            JBL has either 8" or 10", seems Bose has 8" speakers... That EV Evolve 50 has a 12" but is prohibitively expensive (for my purposes)
            I'd like to host some karaoke at out neighborhood pavilion.
            Jam out with a Merry band of neighbors in a driveway, etc.
            Seems perhaps I should get the JBL EON One for everything except electric drums (vocals, backing tracks, keyboard) and get something like the Alesis 12 as a dedicated drum amp.

            Though, now we're talking $600 + $350

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            • #7
              If you have enough inputs on your PA for everybody, sure! I think getting a PA with an in-built mixer is a fantastic way to reduce complexity. Especially with these bluetooth apps that allow you to go out front and be a one man mixing desk.

              I find when everybody else already has their own amp though, nobody wants to chip in for a band sound solution that can confidently handle all instruments with electronic drums - because it's so expensive, but simultaneously the transients of your drums will disappear when combined with guitars and vocals on the same speaker unless it's an expensive line array with a sub.

              Yes, using the Strike Amp 12 only for the drums would be the optimum and cleanest sound. If you bought two, you could mix in guitars and vocals at a lower level just fine though.
              ◾ Diamond Drums 4pc in Di-Noc carbon ◾ MegaDRUM
              ◾ Roland UA-1010 / cymbals / KT-10 (x2) ◾ Tama / Gibraltar hardware ◾ JBL LSR3 Series 2.1 Monitoring ◾ Pearl THMP-1
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              • #8
                Originally posted by eric.frederich View Post
                ... so I can look at those line array type speakers as long as they have a 12" speaker?
                Though, now we're talking $600 + $350
                Easy enough (here in the UK for example) to get a PA with two speakers, stands and a mixer amp for 50-150 2nd hand.
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                • #9
                  Take a look at the Yamaha DBR and DXR series, if in your budget. I would recommend at least the 12’’ woofer models.
                  I own a DXR15mkii that I use as an amplifier during gigs. Awesome PA for the price to be honest ! Powerful but with a very good sound quality.
                  Last edited by takelow; 12-31-20, 02:07 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Went to music store, the guy there was saying rather than getting a cheaper $600 line array with an 8" or 10" sub in addition to a $400 drum amp.... I'd be better off getting a Yamaha Stagepas 1k for $1200. It's 1000W and has a 12" sub.

                    Has anybody looked at the new Bose stuff? The Pro8 is only 300W but the Pro16 is 1250W and has a 15" equivalent sub.
                    The Pro16 is about the same price as Evolve 50

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                    • #11
                      Have you considered using headphones? The pa is now becoming disproportionate to the Alesis kit which is a low end budget kit.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by mkok View Post
                        Have you considered using headphones? The pa is now becoming disproportionate to the Alesis kit which is a low end budget kit.
                        Yeah, we have headphones. Cheapo $20 ones as well as $100 Sennheiser HD 280s. By the way... night and day difference between them.

                        The thing about the PA is that I'd have other uses for it, so I can rationalize spending more money on it.
                        • We do movie nights in our driveway with a projector
                        • We do Karaoke every once in a while also in our driveway
                        • I'd like to get into live looping w/ my guitar... I may end up using a dedicated looper from Boss or Ableton Live and my laptop
                        • I jam with friends in the neighborhood and use a PA for backing tracks as well as drums/bass send from the mixer output of my DigiTech Trio+ Band Creator.
                        • Once, I had a neighbor bring over her keyboard / synth, we'll likely do more jams in the future.
                        My $100 Monoprice Bluetooth Party Speaker is acting as the PA for all the above use cases and it's struggling.

                        ... so, I guess like the title suggests, if it's a multi-purpose thing I can justify spending more money on it.

                        I did just find someone selling a Evolve 50 for $850 which sounds like a killer deal... but it's in white.
                        Also, it seems I'd need to get an external mixer at some point.
                        We have a SingTrix Karaoke thing which can do a bunch of effects, I'm struggling to think of a way to hook up both my laptop for Karaoke via YouTube as well as that SingTrix since the Evolve 50 only has a single stereo input.

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                        • #13
                          I would look at Yamaha DXR10 or DXR12 and down the road when you can afford it add a Yamaha DXS sub to go with it.

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                          • #14
                            Yeah it's a careful balance between getting that one big 15" 2-way Vs getting a 8" or 10" and pairing with a sub for superior sound quality.

                            Also like deciding between 2x 12inch, against a line array.

                            Since Alesis Strike Amps are revoiced Altos, it would probably be correct to pair their new Amp 8 with Alto's TS312S - that could be a potential winner as the cheapest and loudest 3-way, taking down many expensive line arrays just by actually having a compression driver to throw the highs.
                            ◾ Diamond Drums 4pc in Di-Noc carbon ◾ MegaDRUM
                            ◾ Roland UA-1010 / cymbals / KT-10 (x2) ◾ Tama / Gibraltar hardware ◾ JBL LSR3 Series 2.1 Monitoring ◾ Pearl THMP-1
                            PA Comparison Sheet

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