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  • First gig live with TD30KV

    Had my first live experience with the TD30 KV. First set the band members and myself were trying to get use to the new sound/mix. Sound improved as the night went on. Using factory pre-sets. Of course, the sound from headphones is completely different than the one coming from the monitor (Roland 550) which is a bit disappointing. Had to take most of the bass out and pump up the treble. Then the toms were not as booming and had a lot more sound definition. What also helped was positioning the Amp off the ground (on a crate). Any other suggestions??? Overall, very very happy

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    i have pretty much the same amp as you, the kc 500 which in it self can sound under whelming but with a bbe sonic maximizer it really brings it to life with more punch and clarity from the mids and highs. also doing some edits to the module and or vex kits from vexpressions would also go a long way for sound improvement.
    Pearl Mimic pro, A to E 7 piece Pearl Decade maple, ddrum Deccabons, Ddrum DDTi, UFO X-bar triggers, Real feel heads, Gibraltar rack, VH13, PD105 side snare, Roc-N-Soc,Tama Iron Cobra, Iron cobra high hat stand, Cobra clutch, Pearl throne thumper, Roland and Kit Toys cymbals, Roland KC 500, Promark

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    • #3
      Welcome to the Forums!!! How about a nice intro with pics in the Foyer!

      As for gigging with e drums there are many HUGE threads here, particularly the PA MONITORS thread to help you get set up. Basic rule of thumb, don't spend $5000 on an e kit then try to gig with a $200 amp. NOTHING underwhelms an audience more than an underpowered e kit. This is one of the MAIN REASONS why most bands don't like or want an e kit drummer...NO THUMP!! NO FEEL as compared to A kits.

      Not sure of the size stages you play or size venues, BUT...basically, if you want thump and better sounding E kits live, you need AT LEAST a good 12 inch monitor or a pair and most likely a 15 inch sub, better with an 18 inch. That's just for STAGE MONITORING for you and the band to hear your kit. You also need a GOOD FOH system with subs preferably, or at least thumping 15 inch cabs with lots of power to really carry your kit at lower volumes. Opinions vary but this seems to be the general consensus here on the Forums, YMMV as well as your BUDGET may vary. You can get by with a good 15 inch like a higher end JBL and others, and as I said, LOTS of reviews and advice on what is working for folks NOW.

      Wish I had better news but sounds like your monitor system needs a MAJOR upgrade from what you have, and you will need to spend some money on it. You can always go used and get GREAT gear on the CHEAP if you're savvy and patient and know how to shop.

      Good luck and POST SOME PICS of your kit now AND your progress!!

      K ;-)
      My bands: Alter Ego, Arcanum
      E Kit = Roland TDW-20s kit // Roland SPD-S// Pearl Demon Drives//
      A Kit = Tama Swingstar 5 pc (1981) w/roto toms (orig owner!) //Zildjians
      A Kit = Natal 6 pc with Paiste 2000 & Zildjian/MidiKNights/DrumSplitters

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      • #4
        Originally posted by jammin777 View Post
        i have pretty much the same amp as you, the kc 500 which in it self can sound under whelming but with a bbe sonic maximizer it really brings it to life with more punch and clarity from the mids and highs. also doing some edits to the module and or vex kits from vexpressions would also go a long way for sound improvement.
        Thanks for the info. Usually the venues we play are small and unless one or two gigs per year I may need to upgrade otherwise it'll be fine. And as you said, doing some edits to the module should do the trick. Thanks again!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Kenster View Post
          Welcome to the Forums!!! How about a nice intro with pics in the Foyer!

          As for gigging with e drums there are many HUGE threads here, particularly the PA MONITORS thread to help you get set up. Basic rule of thumb, don't spend $5000 on an e kit then try to gig with a $200 amp. NOTHING underwhelms an audience more than an underpowered e kit. This is one of the MAIN REASONS why most bands don't like or want an e kit drummer...NO THUMP!! NO FEEL as compared to A kits.

          Not sure of the size stages you play or size venues, BUT...basically, if you want thump and better sounding E kits live, you need AT LEAST a good 12 inch monitor or a pair and most likely a 15 inch sub, better with an 18 inch. That's just for STAGE MONITORING for you and the band to hear your kit. You also need a GOOD FOH system with subs preferably, or at least thumping 15 inch cabs with lots of power to really carry your kit at lower volumes. Opinions vary but this seems to be the general consensus here on the Forums, YMMV as well as your BUDGET may vary. You can get by with a good 15 inch like a higher end JBL and others, and as I said, LOTS of reviews and advice on what is working for folks NOW.

          Wish I had better news but sounds like your monitor system needs a MAJOR upgrade from what you have, and you will need to spend some money on it. You can always go used and get GREAT gear on the CHEAP if you're savvy and patient and know how to shop.

          Good luck and POST SOME PICS of your kit now AND your progress!!

          K ;-)
          pictures are coming! thanks!!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Chancho View Post

            Thanks for the info. Usually the venues we play are small and unless one or two gigs per year I may need to upgrade otherwise it'll be fine. And as you said, doing some edits to the module should do the trick. Thanks again!
            I'm confused.......your OP said the bass had to be removed and the toms sounded bad. Now you're gonna stick with your setup and just tweak the module? I realize you said you're only playing once or twice a year, but, having no bass and bad sounding toms is not only not ideal, it's just wrong. Gotta represent the rest of the E dum community brother lol!!!

            If you don't want to spend the money, maybe borrow or cheaply rent a good pair of 15 inch cabs just for the gig. All the module tweaking in the world isn't gonna help an underpowered Monitor or PA. There is probably hundreds if not thousands of years of collective live playing experience on the Forums that will agree, you should get the best sound you can for any live gig, even if small. Don't let it detract from your experience of playing out live, nor detract from the AUDIENCE experience. I always say if I'm gonna play, I don't want to be embarrassed and want to put my best foot and sound forward. You shouldn't have to "settle" when there are so many better options for you. Just my 2 cents.

            Have fun!

            K
            My bands: Alter Ego, Arcanum
            E Kit = Roland TDW-20s kit // Roland SPD-S// Pearl Demon Drives//
            A Kit = Tama Swingstar 5 pc (1981) w/roto toms (orig owner!) //Zildjians
            A Kit = Natal 6 pc with Paiste 2000 & Zildjian/MidiKNights/DrumSplitters

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            • #7
              Thanks Kenster for your response. First of all, don't worry about not representing the "live edrums community" the way we should. We all want to have the best sound possible.

              The other day the drums sounded better as the night went on. Like I mentioned, once we took off some of the bass from the amp, there was a lot more definition specially on the toms. And the drums blended nicely with the rest of the instruments. At the beginning was hard also because the guys in the band were not use to the "new sound" but by the second set it was much better.

              The idea when we play bigger venues is to send a stereo line to the PA and like you said I may have to add a couple of 15" monitors.

              Thanks for your 2 cents! I appreciate it

              Daniel

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              • #8
                Rock on brother!!!

                K ;-)
                My bands: Alter Ego, Arcanum
                E Kit = Roland TDW-20s kit // Roland SPD-S// Pearl Demon Drives//
                A Kit = Tama Swingstar 5 pc (1981) w/roto toms (orig owner!) //Zildjians
                A Kit = Natal 6 pc with Paiste 2000 & Zildjian/MidiKNights/DrumSplitters

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                • #9
                  I agree with kenster,your e kit need to have presence on stage , volume does not necessarily compensate for lack of "presence" .like you said you had to roll back the bass to get the volume up to be heard, by doing so you are at the same time dialling down the presence. Your kit doesn't necessarily have to be loud to be heard , it more importantly needs to be felt.I have a Yorkville parasource ps12p It runs at 1400 watts rms,4400 watts peak .all the volume in the world doesn't make up for the bass I had to dial back to get it there without over coming the speaker. I was renting a sub to go with it but just recently purchased a yorville nx720s sub to pair with it. Makes all the difference in the world , even at rehearsal or low volume situations, it is 10 times better because the kit is present with all of its frequencies.
                  Here's a pick of my personal stage monitor set up , all hooked up for rehearsal in my garage ,at low volume but full impact!
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                  Practice Kit-TD30 module.6 pc STARCLASSIC B/B DIY conversion.pearl tru trac bass drum trigger,cy15,2 x cy14,cy 12c,2 x cy8.vh12 hats.cake pan conversion.
                  Gigging kit same td 30 module .5 pc STARCLASSIC PERFORMER cake pan conversion DIY.Pearl tru trac bass trigger.Zildjian gen 16 480 cymbal pack.direct source pickups.cy15,cy14 x 2,cy12

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                  • #10
                    Hi Drum............thanks for your input and picture. As you mentioned the key word is "presence" so that everyone on stage feels comfortable.

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                    • #11
                      Has anybody changed the factory pre-sets on the TD 30? to make it more efficient specially when playing live?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Chancho View Post
                        Of course, the sound from headphones is completely different than the one coming from the monitor (Roland 550) which is a bit disappointing.
                        I was surpised, too. However, phones and speakes transmit different frequencies differently (transfer function, frequency response), so there must be differences. Run a different headphone, and it will sound different again. Use EQ for adjustment/compensation, if needed, e.g. to make the headphone sound more like the speakers. (See block diagram at the end of the TD-30 manual for indications)

                        Originally posted by Chancho View Post
                        Had to take most of the bass out and pump up the treble. Then the toms were not as booming and had a lot more sound definition. What also helped was positioning the Amp off the ground (on a crate). Any other suggestions??? Overall, very very happy
                        What helped me was to (a) level all sliders at its zero-line, (b) adjust some triggers, e.g. for kick and hi-hat. Not all drum kits sound good to me. My favorite is "43 Rock Solid". But that changes with time as well ;-) So far I used only Master Out and did not try the Direct Outs: they should make a difference, too.

                        td-30 user ;-)

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                        • #13
                          Hi Chancho, I,like most experienced edrum users have changed the factory presets so they suit our own taste. You must understand that buying a killer edrum kit is the same as buying a killer Akit. You still have to get the heads you want, tune it the way you want, buy the microphones that give you the sound you want, place those mics in the position you want, add the effects you want, the compression, the gates, the EQ and all that.

                          I have tweaked my module and still send 8 direct outs to my sound man so he can work his magic. You absolutely must tweak the TD30 for your ear. What sounds good to me, might not sound good to you. What sounds good in headphones, might not sound good in a PA, etc.

                          If you work at it, you will be very happy with the sounds. If you do not, you will not be.
                          TD50 Digital Pack, TD30 and TD9 Modules, custom made pads, Gen16 crashes, and hats plus a few other things that I'm not sure what to do with or why they're still in my kit. Bands: Espada http://www.musicaespada.com/ and JamCo https://www.facebook.com/JamcoEntertainment, https://www.jamcoband.com/

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                          • #14
                            Hi BWaj........thanks for your input, very much appreciated. I understand and agreed with all of your concepts however I don't think I explained myself correctly. A while ago I read a thread which I will reproduce here (not the whole thing as it's too long). I need to know if this is worth doing it, and what the results were. Here it is:

                            "I have been dangling a carrot for some time now saying I was writing a "TD-30 setup" guide and now I am finally putting it out there. While this setup may be specific to the TD-30, many, if not all, of these settings can be found on all the modules. So this can be beneficial for anyone.

                            This is a basic set-up process I have been coming up with over the last couple months to properly set up your TD-30 module. This set up can work for any pre-set kits as well as creating your own kits. Since the manual leaves a lot to be desired, not only in explaining what each step does, but more importantly what steps should be done first so you aren’t making adjustments aimlessly hoping you get the right sound and dynamics you are looking for. So here are the first steps you should do right from the get go, the second you first turn this module on. Okay, fine, play a few kits and have some fun, but when you are done playing around, put the sticks down and grab your manual because we are going to really dig in to this module. Let’s get started.


                            Step 1: Group Faders
                            Slide the group faders up and down and set all the faders to “0”. Yeah, put them all at the zero line. Don’t forget to hit the button under the “fader” label (red light should light up) and adjust the sliders up and down and set them to “0”. Dont jam them all to the top. If you do, you won’t have anywhere to go if you need to make adjustments on the fly. This is especially important for people who play live and the venue may have acoustics that enhance some instruments more than others. A simple fader adjustment either up or down will quickly fix the problem.



                            Step 2: Mixer Adjustments
                            Click the “Mixer” button and lets go through this menu. Under the “Volume” tab set ALL the head & rim volumes to “80”. I believe default is 120, and that’s just not going to work. Each instrument is going to blend differently with every other instrument, for every kit. These mixer settings are KIT SPECIFIC. If you make an adjustment here, it will only affect the kit you are currently in and all other kits will be set up as their defaults. This is good and bad all at the same time. Good in that you aren't messing up any of your other kits by making adjustments here, and bad in that you have to fiddle with this for EVERY kit. But there is some relief that you don't have to manually adjust this for every kit. You can adjust the mixer settings in one kit and COPY these settings to all your other kits. Check out page 66 of the manual for simple instructions on how to do this.


                            and so on................

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                            • #15
                              Before embarking on a lengthy modification process, maybe the writer has some vids posted of what the kit sounds like AFTER the mod, and you can evaluate if that's what you want.

                              K
                              My bands: Alter Ego, Arcanum
                              E Kit = Roland TDW-20s kit // Roland SPD-S// Pearl Demon Drives//
                              A Kit = Tama Swingstar 5 pc (1981) w/roto toms (orig owner!) //Zildjians
                              A Kit = Natal 6 pc with Paiste 2000 & Zildjian/MidiKNights/DrumSplitters

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