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    Just curious if any members have used their Roland modules to do serious recordings with. I seem to find a lot of people prefer vst and pearl mimic for recording purposes because it sounds more authentic. I have recorded some scratch drum tracks for friends using my Td-30 and they like it. Seems that vst anf Mimic are all the rage .

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    I have two YouTube educational video series’ coming. Stay tuned. Lots of work left to get it finished. Hoping to have it out in November or early December. I think everyone is gonna love it.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Alan VEX View Post
      I have two YouTube educational video series’ coming. Stay tuned. Lots of work left to get it finished. Hoping to have it out in November or early December. I think everyone is gonna love it.
      Alan you are such a treasure trove of knowledge. Thank you so much for the comment and I really do look forward to those videos !!!

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      • #4
        I have a td30 and would not use it for serious recordings. If the aim though is not realistic drums then it’s fine. All depends on what type of music you are wanting to record really to how much the deficiency’s will stand out. VSTIs are a huge step up in quality.
        Roland TD30 module on TD20 kit SD3 with various kits. Pearl Masters Kit, Yamaha 9000RC original natural wood finish. Cymbals from Zildgian Pasite and Sabian. Loads of percussion bits. Cubase and Wavelab always current versions.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Beanster View Post
          Just curious if any members have used their Roland modules to do serious recordings with. I seem to find a lot of people prefer vst and pearl mimic for recording purposes because it sounds more authentic. I have recorded some scratch drum tracks for friends using my Td-30 and they like it. Seems that vst anf Mimic are all the rage .
          You have a a lot more control and realism with VST. You just record a MIDI track. You should do that anyway for the future even if you use the built in sounds.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Beanster View Post
            Just curious if any members have used their Roland modules to do serious recordings with. I seem to find a lot of people prefer vst and pearl mimic for recording purposes because it sounds more authentic. I have recorded some scratch drum tracks for friends using my Td-30 and they like it. Seems that vst anf Mimic are all the rage .
            I always thought the TD-30 sounded great. If you are maxing out the TD-50, using Vex packs like Generations, layering in great one shot samples from companies like Goldbaby and Wave Alchemy, using loops with mute groups, the MFX section, Ambience, EQ, transient designer and compression and incorporate the electronic elements it sounds fantastic. If you record from the main outs with all the goodies engaged. Especially if you use a tube front end to warm up the sound before hitting your digital interface. If you are using the USB outputs dry or individual outs dry with no juice from the module it sounds like crap.

            Agreed, always record to MIDI then you have your choice of VST swapping or replaying the module and adjusting the mix in the box. I do not recommend triggering VST's there is no comparing playing a module and this is where yes, the Mimic is the way to go for VST quality audio and a magnificent triggering/playing experience, with total control over mic's and EQ and great sounding rooms and reverb. I still recommend recording the MIDI data and playing back your module and adjusting the mix from the module but that's imo. It gives you all the chutzpah from the module, you can record a stereo mix without 8-16 outputs of audio and swap out kits and sounds and adjust levels, compression, EQ etc. as you like and remix arguably just as fast as you would recording individual outs. Have the module permanently MIDI in and MIDI out with a good MIDI interface. The U3-88c is is a great MIDI interface powered by USB3.0 which is remarkably stronger in delivery and power management than USB2.0. Because of the USB 3.0, the Alyseum has extremely low latency and jitter allowing smooth workflow. And you won't have to worry about latency anyway as you will with VST triggering, because you monitor directly from the module and there is no a/d d/a roundtrip and conversion to wade through.

            Originally posted by Alan VEX View Post
            I have two YouTube educational video series’ coming. Stay tuned. Lots of work left to get it finished. Hoping to have it out in November or early December. I think everyone is gonna love it.
            This will be your best bet, I'm just offering my experience but Alan is the expert here.
            Last edited by Howstamychi; 10-10-19, 10:15 AM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Howstamychi View Post

              I always thought the TD-30 sounded great. If you are maxing out the TD-50, using Vex packs like Generations, layering in great one shot samples from companies like Goldbaby and Wave Alchemy, using loops with mute groups, the MFX section, Ambience, EQ, transient designer and compression and incorporate the electronic elements it sounds fantastic. If you record from the main outs with all the goodies engaged. Especially if you use a tube front end to warm up the sound before hitting your digital interface. If you are using the USB outputs dry or individual outs dry with no juice from the module it sounds like crap.

              Agreed, always record to MIDI then you have your choice of VST swapping or replaying the module and adjusting the mix in the box. I do not recommend triggering VST's there is no comparing playing a module and this is where yes, the Mimic is the way to go for VST quality audio and a magnificent triggering/playing experience, with total control over mic's and EQ and great sounding rooms and reverb. I still recommend recording the MIDI data and playing back your module and adjusting the mix from the module but that's imo. It gives you all the chutzpah from the module, you can record a stereo mix without 8-16 outputs of audio and swap out kits and sounds and adjust levels, compression, EQ etc. as you like and remix arguably just as fast as you would recording individual outs. Have the module permanently MIDI in and MIDI out with a good MIDI interface. The U3-88c is is a great MIDI interface powered by USB3.0 which is remarkably stronger in delivery and power management than USB2.0. Because of the USB 3.0, the Alyseum has extremely low latency and jitter allowing smooth workflow. And you won't have to worry about latency anyway as you will with VST triggering, because you monitor directly from the module and there is no a/d d/a roundtrip and conversion to wade through.



              This will be your best bet, I'm just offering my experience but Alan is the expert here.
              thank you. I am leaning towards the mimic because I am not tech savvy enough to do the midi route. What is interesting Is that a friend of mine who does a bunch of recording mention that the Gentleman who sends him tracks demands “raw” drums and he adds ego later. I sent this same guy my td30 kit on one recording and he liked it. Go figure. Lol. Thanks again for the detailed response and I will read it again later as I assume the td30 is a great midi device.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Beanster View Post

                thank you. I am leaning towards the mimic because I am not tech savvy enough to do the midi route. What is interesting Is that a friend of mine who does a bunch of recording mention that the Gentleman who sends him tracks demands “raw” drums and he adds ego later. I sent this same guy my td30 kit on one recording and he liked it. Go figure. Lol. Thanks again for the detailed response and I will read it again later as I assume the td30 is a great midi device.
                You're welcome. Mimic is the way to go and your TD-30 is definitely a great MIDI device and module. You'll have the best of both worlds.

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                • #9
                  If you want to replace the TD30 then the mimic would be a great replacement. But if you want to keep your TD30 and are just looking to record some tracks with better sounds, you would be much better buying a VST (Mimic over US$2,000; Superior Drummer 3 over US$400). I'm no tech genius - learning how to hook a Roland module to a computer and trigger a VST (or record midi and then trigger the VST if you prefer) is not that difficult. Even if you needed to buy an interface you'd still be a long way ahead on $$ with a VST.
                  Roland TD9 (KD8, FD9), Yamaha DTX Multi12 (KT10, HH65, TP100), Zendrum EXP (Stompblock) || Scarlett 6i6 > imac; 2i4 >macbook || Superior Drummer 3, Logic || Yamaha HS7s, Yamaha DBR10, ATH-M30x || DIY compact a-kit, Mapex Meridian, Zildjian Ks, some As and Sabians and ... || youtube

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                  • #10
                    Thank you Jackodrum.

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                    • #11
                      Trying to connect SSD4 to my mac on my TD30. What if anything do you need to set the TD30 MIDI section to under global?

                      I am connecting via usb c to the back of the TD30 USB.
                      TD30 KV owner

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Alan VEX View Post
                        I have two YouTube educational video series’ coming. Stay tuned. Lots of work left to get it finished. Hoping to have it out in November or early December. I think everyone is gonna love it.
                        Just wondering if you ever posted the video you mention here?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Rgvkiwi View Post

                          Just wondering if you ever posted the video you mention here?
                          I started it a couple of times (it’s really a lot of info, making it very long), but went back to the drawing board in an attempt to condense it with the same material. I’m still trying to choose the exact best way to present it so everyone can benefit from it. (I also had some things come up in Nov/Dec that delayed my start... I have to deal with transplant annuals every Nov)
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                          • #14
                            Here is how I record my TD50 and blend with SD3:

                            First, I have the Main Outs L&R from TD50 and MIDI out armed for recording. I go through as many takes as needed to get it right.

                            Once satisfied with my performance, I will then delete the stereo audio track, those were just for listening and it’s sometimes used to give the other band mates an idea of where I’m going with the song. We work remotely most of the time.

                            I then make any edits to the MIDI that are needed to get it where I want. I prefer to get it as close as possible during the take, but it’s nice to be able to adjust timing and sometimes velocity after the fact and make it exactly the way it was meant to be.

                            Once the MIDI is right, then I switch the MIDI routing to send to the TD50 and set the output of each drum/cym to the desired output. I run the MIDI thru the TD50 and record the Audio Out from each individual instrument. Sometimes it takes more than one pass because I want each instrument of my kit to have its own track and I have 16 pieces and only 10 total outs on the module.

                            This step can be done in parallel or after the audio is captured from the TD50 – I set up Superior Drummer 3 to accept MIDI and I have a kit dialed in that complements my TD50 sounds, this took a very long time to get right, but I got it just the way I like it. I capture the audio out for each desired piece from SD3 to it’s won track, as well as stereo outs for room and overheads.

                            The end result is several tracks that can be blended and bused any way that I want to get the best sound possible. This process can be repeated through SD3 or TD50 as many times with as many different sounds/trigger changes as you could ever dream of. You can delete anything that is not needed. I’ve found that it’s always better to have it and not need it.

                            One note I will point out is, I usually have to nudge the TD50 Audio a little to make up for the round-trip latency of going out from PC -> TD50 -> PC. It will vary depending on your set up but it’s no trouble to zoom in and highlight all tracks and nudge them a few ms to get the transients aligned with the grid.

                            The key to making all of this work is to spend the time and dial in the SD3 kit to compliment your TD50 kit. If you simply get 2 kits that sound killer on their own, they may not blend together well. For example, I like to get the attack of my kick from the TD50, and more of the boom from SD3.
                            Last edited by vChip; 04-24-20, 11:05 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Alan VEX View Post
                              I started it a couple of times (it’s really a lot of info, making it very long), but went back to the drawing board in an attempt to condense it with the same material. I’m still trying to choose the exact best way to present it so everyone can benefit from it. (I also had some things come up in Nov/Dec that delayed my start... I have to deal with transplant annuals every Nov)
                              Hi Alan, I hope you're doing fine with the health challenges.

                              You previously mentioned that you had to bring it back to the drawing board and was wondering if you were able to move this forward and whether you have an idea on when you want to get this released or not. I'm really looking forward to such a series of videos as this would help me to understand my module a lot better.

                              Thanks & take care.
                              Cheers,

                              Roland TD-50KVX / SPD-SX / SD3

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