TD-10 is actually 24 channels, right?

[fmidgett]

It seems like there should be some way to trigger both sounds of each TD-10 channel with two pads and some sort of y-cord. It seems such a waste to have the "rim" channel of the single trigger toms going unused. Has anyone figured out how to do this? I trigger these rim channels now with MIDI out of a DM-5 hooked to some extra pads, but there is a delay and it's extra gear to haul. Anyone figured a way to tap all 24 "channels" independently?

[Boingo]

Originally posted by fmidgett:
Anyone figured a way to tap all 24 "channels" independently?

This is getting freaky. I was just thinking the same thing earlier tonight. Someone must have figured out a way to do this. What's up with that v-drummers?

Welcome aboard fmidgett. warning: this crowd can be rabid at times. Hang tough.

[szvook]

Originally posted by Boingo:


Warning: this crowd can be rabid at times. Hang tough.

New blood......attack !!!!!!!!!



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szvook

[Steveo the Devo]

Say, are you guys (Boingo and Szvook) actually saying that this is possible?
Imagine the possibilities??? The mind boggles!

Fmidgett, please excuse our rather impolite V-gods here. They have been around so long they appear (to the untrained eye) to have gone senile!
Welcome aboard.
'Y-adapting' can become a long and involved process. It has been explained in detail through two methods, 'Shack adapting' and the 'Holy Grail'. There is a sh1tload of stuff to know about it all. If you want to avoid getting your arse flamed into oblivion (these guys were really being quite well behaved) use the seach function. Use Shack and Grail as keywords and read, read, read!
There are recent, current threads still discussing this now.

Good luck.

[drumlogic]

Hello all, Unfortunately I feel somewhat responsible for feefer's withdrawl fom this topic. A few months back I kinda annoyed him with similar qestions. I would like to add what little knowledge I have. I have done the shack thang with my toms, but if your interested in adding on pads/cymbals and have them trigger two different sounds from one input you might try this option. This is the simplist of all and has 100% reliability. I was happy with the number of "drums" my vsession had but wanted to add on cymbals and extra pads for cowbell's triangles, chinas, splashes....etc. This is what I did: I took a roland cy-14 crash and a visulite china and VERY simply used a stereo y cable to tie them together into one input. What this gave me was the rim sound from the hitting the rim of the crash and hitting the visulite, anywhere because it is a single piezo trigger, triggered the head sound which I had set to be a china. Hitting the top of the crash gave me the head sound, which is the china, which is kool because the cymbals are on different sides and now I can trigger the china from either side of my kit. This is truly plug and play and gets you total seperation of the head and rim sound from one input to 2 physically different pads. Im getting my pd-7 in a few days and will try this with that and a visulite splash, as I belive this will work with any pair of piezo/fsr and piezo combination. The only thing I had to do was adjust the sensitivity. The basic concept here is to take a dual trigger pad(piezo/fsr) and and tie another piezo trigger in parallel with its piezo by using a headphone splitter. Kinda simple yet very effective.

-Drumlogic

PS dont forget to use all stereo cables.

[Mick Wade]

Originally posted by szvook:
New blood......attack !!!!!!!!!

"Run away, run away!!!"

[drumlogic]

BTW, that method also allows me to choke both the crash and the china by grabbing the cy14 crash. This is also very kool because I couldnt choke my china before and I really like to do that.

-drumlogic

[Steveo the Devo]

Originally posted by Mick Wade:
"Run away, run away!!!"

... brave, brave Sir Robin

[fmidgett]

I read all of the "Shack" and "Grail" messages I could find. Unfortunately, many of these give a "file not found" message. As best I can gather, access to the head sound is of course simple, plug in just about any pad. Access to the rim channel requires precise triggering of the rim and head channel simultaneously. So the trick is figuring out the correct adapter wiring and TD-10 settings to make this work.

I have a stereo Y cord and a Radio shack Stereo to mono adapter (247-1520c). I hooked the T cord into channel 3 (Tom 1) which has a T.m sound on the head and a cowbell sound on the rim. Then I plugged a PD-5 mono pad into one side of the Y. I get the head sound as expected. I plugged another PD-5 into the shack stereo to mono plug and then got no sound from either pad. At this point I figure it must be a limitation of the mono pads but my full kit is 40 miles away so I don't have a stereo pad to work with. Thinking the ring and tip must be grounding somewhere or doing something beyond by ability to comprehend, I decided to try using stereo cables from the pads to the Y. Now I hear both pads, but both have the same sound. I then switched one cable back to a mono cable and got my first glimmer of hope. When I plugged i the one pad with a mono cable to the Y, it began to randomly trigger the head AND rim sounds if I giggled the cable. I tried adjusting settings on the TD-10 but could never get a pad strike to trigger the sound just the movement of the plug.

Is anyone willing to advise new blood on this old topic? Is my problem simply the mono pads? Ultimately I would have one PD-100 and one PD-5 shacked together, but I was hoping to play with this exciting technique right away.

[drumlogic]

ditch the pd5 and buy a pd7. Stereo y the pd-100 and pd 7 together. This will give you the head(tom)sound on the pd-100 and the cowbell(rim) on the rim of the pd-7. Yes you will also get the tom sound from the head of the pd-7 but who cares you have sucessfully tapped both sounds of one input on two physically seperate pad.

-Drumlogic

[hmasing]

Originally posted by drumlogic:
I couldnt choke my china before and I really like to do that.

Me too!

Oh, wait. Choke your CHINA! Sorry, wrong metaphor.

- Hans