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  • My Over-engineered Kick-woofer contraption

    Have a look at this crazy idea I’ve been working on during my lunch hours.



    Essentially it’s an all-in-one e-kick, disguised as an a-kick but with an integrated sub woofer, amplifier and module.

    Has anybody ever thought of doing this?

    My diagram shows how the piezo trigger sits inside floating cavity; it sends signals to the module (think Roland tm-2) built into the side. The module will have a MIDI out so you can hook it up to other modules / PC recording. The LFE mix in allows you to connect to it to mixer board so you can use the sub with another source e.g. your music – or be used completely independently, with only power cable and kick pedals needed, hybrid with a-drums.

    I made an attempt at solving a potential design flaw straight away, with the acoustic dampening around the trigger system – I figured that you might end up with the vibrations and air pressure inside, inadvertently triggering the piezo again; causing an infinite loop.

    Vibrations may also travel up the spokes too, so either it will be suspended with silicone type cables or one could write a simple crosstalk algorithm that measures exactly the latency between hitting the trigger and the sub emitting sound, then ignore any input during a short window while the sub is resonating bass - although this isn’t going to work while using the LFE mix in.

    The advantages of doing this however, is that you’ll never have to unpack or transport a bulky sub for your PA when going on tour. Instead, you’ll just have a really heavy bass drum.. But no risk of it crawling away from you!

    My marketing blurb: The over-engineered kick-woofer contraption (real name TBA) can be turned up and down, played quieter while pounding into it, or even louder than a real acoustic could, while barely moving a muscle. For the audience, the bass will emanate exactly from where the drum is.

    Originally I had the vents on the side of the shell, but instead I thought it would be better for the air to vent towards the drummer so he/she receives the direct thump.
    Plus all the other advantages that vdrums usually do best. E.g. different sounds; a super tight dance bass, tuning on the fly, EQ, etc.

    In serious, this is kind of a joke, I have no intention of building this monstrosity myself. But if it does work, I’m going to patent it and make a million pounds!

    However I have thought seriously about buying any cheap used kick drum, just so I can hide a sub woofer inside it with a layer of felt over the front lol, protection and good looks!
    ◾ Diamond Drums 4pc in Di-Noc carbon ◾ 2box DrumIt 5 MKII
    ◾ Roland UA-1010 / cymbals / KT-10 (x2) ◾ Tama / Gibraltar hardware ◾ JBL LSR3 Series 2.1 Monitoring ◾ Pearl THMP-1
    PA Comparison Sheet

  • #2
    Mark Steele (inventor) patented this some years back. He's a member here...very brilliant and innovative stuff for e-drums....check it out....

    8 piece DIY Acrylic, 2x2Box DrumIt5, Gen16 4xDCP, DIY Acrylic&Gen16 Conversions, Sleishman Twin-QuadSteele hybrid, Gibraltar&DrumFrame rack, DW9502LB, Midi Knights Pro Lighting
    http://www.airbrushartists.org/DreamscapeAirbrushRealm

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    • #3
      Oh that's really cool! I wonder if he's made a million pounds yet... Hmm, doesn't say how much it costs, or if he ships to the UK.
      ◾ Diamond Drums 4pc in Di-Noc carbon ◾ 2box DrumIt 5 MKII
      ◾ Roland UA-1010 / cymbals / KT-10 (x2) ◾ Tama / Gibraltar hardware ◾ JBL LSR3 Series 2.1 Monitoring ◾ Pearl THMP-1
      PA Comparison Sheet

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      • #4
        Send him a message. I'm sure he'd work it out with you. He's a commercial pilot too...so give him a bit of time to respond.
        Last edited by fulrmr(Daniel); 05-19-14, 01:04 PM.
        8 piece DIY Acrylic, 2x2Box DrumIt5, Gen16 4xDCP, DIY Acrylic&Gen16 Conversions, Sleishman Twin-QuadSteele hybrid, Gibraltar&DrumFrame rack, DW9502LB, Midi Knights Pro Lighting
        http://www.airbrushartists.org/DreamscapeAirbrushRealm

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        • #5
          Cool idea.
          TD50 Digital Pack, TD30 and TD9 Modules, custom made pads, Gen16 crashes, and hats plus a few other things that I'm not sure what to do with or why they're still in my kit. Bands: Espada http://www.musicaespada.com/ and JamCo https://www.facebook.com/JamcoEntertainment, https://www.jamcoband.com/

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          • #6
            Mine is a little different with a sealed cabinet and mesh head with trigger.My original V Drum kit came with the hard rubber knob trigger on a foot pedal base. Just looking at it made me sad and never even tried using it. Instead, I used my 22" acoustic BD and made a drum trigger, amp, and 18" speaker, with the drum. I used a DDrum trigger with a mesh beater head, installed a plywood divider 3" from the head to form a separate speaker cabinet, and installed a second plywood piece into the front to mount the speaker. I then installed a sub-woofer amp onto the shell near the bottom of the drum and installed an XLR input jack. I stuffer the 3" beater head compartment with styrofoam peanuts and the speaker cabinet section with polyester batting. It sounds great and looks cool! Most importantly, it feels like my old bass drum. It is a heavy sucker though, but there's no need to carry around a separate low frequency cabinet to play out. Just smaller cabinets. I included some pix.
            ​Regards, Cole Johnson
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              • #8
                Wow! you literally painted everything red lol

                Maybe if the lugs could still be undone, you could try fit a layer of breathable black felt head over the cone. But everything else about it looks and sounds awesome I bet.
                ◾ Diamond Drums 4pc in Di-Noc carbon ◾ 2box DrumIt 5 MKII
                ◾ Roland UA-1010 / cymbals / KT-10 (x2) ◾ Tama / Gibraltar hardware ◾ JBL LSR3 Series 2.1 Monitoring ◾ Pearl THMP-1
                PA Comparison Sheet

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                • #9
                  Wow!!! Super nice!!

                  K ;-)
                  My bands: Alter Ego, Arcanum
                  E Kit = Roland TDW-20s kit // Roland SPD-S// Pearl Demon Drives//
                  A Kit = Tama Swingstar 5 pc (1981) w/roto toms (orig owner!) //Zildjians
                  A Kit = Natal 6 pc with Paiste 2000 & Zildjian/MidiKNights/DrumSplitters

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                  • #10
                    As for the "Over engineered kick",.....of course I like it! I do feel that a sealed cabinet ( called a " direct reflex cabinet" ) gives a tighter kick drum sound that sounds better than a "vented" cabinet like the one illustrated. Also, having the port (vent) on the beater side directs the sound the opposite direction than it should. The low frequency sound gets absorbed and reflected (delayed), and out of phase before the people in front get to hear it. The optimal size for an 18" driver is larger than the drum has to give and since the optimal size of the vented cabinet is larger than a sealed one, then venting the cabinet degrades the speaker driver's performance more compared to a sealed cabinet. My 22" bass drum/speaker cabinet is smaller than the optimal size called for by the driver size parameters, however, the sealed cabinet still sounds excellent with plenty of punch!
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                    • #11
                      Very cool. How much does it weigh? Do you use ant other amplification for you kit for mid range for example?
                      Equipment: TD-30KV, DW9000 hardware, ROC-N-SOC Throne, Behringer ULTRATONE K3000FX Amp, JBL EON 615 Powered Speaker, Yamaha MG06X. 1965 Ludwig Super Classic. Black diamond pearl. Zildjian K Custom Dark cymbals, DW 7000 hardware, DW 9000 kick pedal.

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