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  • "I like that band, except that their drummer plays with a cheesy electronic kit."

    "I like that band, except that their drummer plays with a cheesy electronic kit."

    - Overheard by our singer when someone was talking about my band not long ago.

    Our singer made the decision on the spot that we would go back to using acoustic drums, despite the increased stage volume and the fact that this will require we use two vehicles for gigs (can't fit everything in the van unless we use the v.drums).

    What do you guys do in these situations? I *love* the V-drums and do not want to go back to the acoustic drums - I have to wear earplugs with those, they take a lot longer to set up and tear down, they take longer to EQ and mix and don't sound as good in my monitors anyway, and they take up more space on the stage and in the van. My drummer likes the feel of his acoustic kit better (I don't blame him), but in my opinion, the advantages of the electronic kit, especially for small gigs, outweigh the negatives.

    Have you ever dealt with this attitude? How? I don't want to turn off our fans but we can't even break even on out-of-town gigs if we have to take two vehicles, and I really don't want to buy a trailer if we already have a solution (the electronic drums, which are also great for recording and rehearsing back home).

    Thoughts are appreciated!
    My band's website: treasure junkie
    My website: DaveMuscato.com
    I'm a bassist, but I like drummers :) We have a TD-6SXT.

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    your the drummer,he is the singer.Tell him you dont like the mike he is using.Where do singers get off telling other muso's what instament to play.I know what id be saying, $%@# off.Let him transport the a's,setup and pull down.What a ****.The person heard saying it prob cant play an instrament at all.All over one comment?,id be moving on.sorry jmho
    Last edited by pluto3; 05-27-08, 04:52 AM.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by pluto3 View Post
      your the drummer,he is the singer.Tell him you dont like the mike he is using.....Let him transport the a's,setup and pull down....The person heard saying it prob cant play an instrament at all.All over one comment?,id be moving on.sorry jmho
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      • #4
        mmm ooo ahhh

        My advice is to convert an acoustic kit to electronic, hide all cables in the rack and have the best of all worlds.

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        • #5
          "our singer made the decision" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ...... and where would he be without electronics ????.............. it must be a real strain carrying that 1 microphone !!
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Dave Muscato View Post
            ...What do you guys do in these situations? ...
            Have you ever dealt with this attitude? How?...Thoughts are appreciated!
            Here are links to a couple of previous related discussions with some good input:

            http://vdrums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35068

            http://vdrums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36826
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            • #7
              The thing that cracks me up is when you get competing opinions at the same gig from different people. One person says everything was great, the next person says it stunk. One guy doesn't like the drums, the other guy is fascinated. A girl says the vocals were 'thin' and a guy says they were right on. And on and on and on.

              Opinions are like weeds - they grow everywhere and most of them are unwanted. If your singer is going to make a knee-jerk decision every time someone belches you all are going to be very busy buying and selling equipment. Which will rapidly force you into the poor-house and you won't be able to afford any equipment at all. Tell him to calm the heck down or the next time you get a negative comment about his singing you will replace him with a 'not so cheesy' singer.

              Shalom
              Bruce

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              • #8
                What Bruce said.

                The "problem" here wasn't that some junior knucklehead in the audience who's closest point to playing an instrument was probably an air guitar bit he did drunk out of his mind when somebody blasted "FREEEEEBIRDDDDDD" at some party said something deragatory about the edrums, the "problem" was you singer's reaction to that.

                If the singer is unbending, either a) move onto (or move him onto) new circumstances, or b) what was suggested above, convert an a-kit. The latter only solves part of your problem since it will still be more space intensive to transport.

                Actually, something you said puzzles me in that your drummer also prefers acoustics. It sounds as if he weclomes a move back to acoustics. Perhaps the rest of the band feels that way as well and you're the one edrum holdout. Now, remember, you're preaching to the choir here about the greatness of edrums but, if you're in a band that prefers acoustics, for whatever reasons they feel outweigh what you feel edrums bring to the equation, well, then, that's a different issue.

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                • #9
                  Sounds like the singer is more into flash than substance. If it is his band, maybe it is time to start looking for a new one. If it is NOT his band, he needs a swift kick in the pants. That might even help him to hit that "high note"....

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Colquhoun View Post
                    Sounds like the singer is more into flash than substance.
                    Aren't they all?
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                    • #11
                      Actually, I like cheese......

                      But seriously, are you after sound quality or are you out to impress some poor audience member who has had a few too many?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Hercules View Post
                        Actually, I like cheese......

                        But seriously, are you after sound quality or are you out to impress some poor audience member who has had a few too many?
                        Exactly Bro !!!!!
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                        • #13
                          I would ask your singer if he intends to make a major change in the band's equipment configuration every time someone in the audience makes a negative comment. You cannot please everyone, and should not try.
                          Id rather be told the ugly truth than handed a pretty lie.

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                          • #14
                            Going by your website the singer is also the guitar player,there's your answer right there.Please show your drummer this and other related threads on here.Would he change his guitar and amp ect if he over heard someone say,good band but i dont like that brand of guitar or amp? i dont think so.
                            Last edited by pluto3; 05-27-08, 11:03 PM.
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                            • #15
                              Dave: You're in Columbia? I went to the band's web site. Have we "met" on Comomusic before? I'm "grog" there too. I'm about 50 minutes from you to the southeast.

                              Yunno, this isn't the first time I've gotten a lot of edrum bigotry out of people there. I wanted to audition for a now-defunk group and got the same crap out of their keyboardist.

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