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    I own a set of the vdrums pro and absolutely love em. When gigging however, I sometimes wonder about the reliability factor. With acoustic drums, if something breaks, it's generally not going to be a deal breaker and the drums will go on.

    With the vdrums, everything is dependent upon the TD-10. What happens if it decides to give up the ghost during a gig? Well, I guess that's a rhetorical question. It's pretty easy to see that the drums will cease to be.

    Does anybody else think about this and if so, what are your contingency plans? Or how reliable do you find the TD-10 / TD-8 or whatever brain you are using? Has this kind of breakdown ever happened to anybody? Am I concerned about nothing?

    Hoping to pick your brains for ideas, experience, or at least reassurance Thanks!!

    -David
    -David

  • #2
    Hi David,

    I had the same feeling as you have. I think it is a drummers thing. When you hit something there must be a sound. My guitar player must have the same feeling but when I asking him if he isn’t afraid he just say ‘when it happens it happens’.
    I play live with my TD-x for 7 years now and till now it never breaks down. Twice a PD-7 pad break down during a gig and three times during rehearsals. So I think the brains are ok.
    Nevertheless I bought myself a second hand TD-7 brain as a spare just to make me feel better.
    I mounted it on my rack and use it as an extra triggerinterface, and if my TD-10 breaks down I can easily switch to the TD-7.

    Groeten,

    Peter


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    My bands: Meneer Van Zanten and The Shed (sorry, both in Dutch but you can see the pictures and listen to our songs)
    My bands: Meneer Van Zanten and The Shed (sorry, both in Dutch but you can see the pictures, videoclips and listen to our songs)

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    • #3
      I have been using a Roland TD-XX for at least 6 years with only minor problem, second KD-7 gave up the ghost. The brain seems to be fine but I have started to worry a little and am thinking of getting rid of my SPD-11 and get a TD-6 for extra triggers that way if my TD-10 does bit the dust ever I have a decent back up. The band is starting to play more gigs for alot more people so losing the drums totally would really suck. I still have every confidence in the TD I just want a back up for piece of mind.

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      Ted H.
      www.tocsinrocks.com
      Ted H.

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      • #4
        I have played with my E-drums for 4 years and also have a set of acoustics. I have been thinking about using the A's live but have some reliability concerns. What would happen if... my hi-hat broke, kick pedal broke, cymbal cracked, head punctured, snare retainer broke, etc?

        While I really don't have the A's, the scenario and questions are still valid.

        And... unless you're doing a pure acoustical gig with no mic's, signal processing or amplification of any kind, there's the question... what if the power goes out?

        You either keep a spare of everything, including a large power generator or you deal with it as Peter's guitarist said.

        Somedays you eat the bear and somedays the bear eats you.
        Kit Pic 1 Kit Pic 2 Kit Pic 3... And FOR SALE I have: 3 PD-9's, MDS-10 purple rack w/cables/pad and cym mounts. See classified posts for details or PM me.

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        • #5
          If your hi-hat pedal breaks, you can still play the rest of your acoustic drums and cymbals. If your drum module quits in the middle of a gig, you are done. I recently bought a TD-6 for $440 as a backup. Our guitar players all bring more than one guitar and each has a backup amp for gigs, so I didn't think it was fair for me to keep putting them at risk of my drum module not working.

          [This message has been edited by Bagman (edited April 18, 2002).]

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          • #6
            Some good ideas being thrown out on this thread... I used to do some gigs with a small e-kit using an Alesis DM-5 brain, and once had one sh!t the bed during a gig. It sucked.

            I once had a BD pedal go out in the middle of a song on an acoustic heavy rock gig. I finished the song while trying to literally kick the kick drum to produce some bass sound. Had to stop that gig as well.

            It is all about reliability, confidence, preparation, and comfort. You purchase what you believe to be reliable gear, test it to gain confidence, prepare for emergencies as you see fit, and try to relax & do what you do - play music.

            In 2 years of playing live & in studio with my V-Drums, the only problems I've had were KD-7/BD pedal slide (fixed that easily) and broken rack clamps (replaced with metal ones), and that's about it. The TD-10, for all its perceived shortcomings, has been rock-solid reliable, as have all the pads.

            I used to keep my (replacement) Alesis DM-5 as an emergency backup brain, but finally sold it. I found that the TD-10 was at least as reliable as my guitar or bass player's amps, which they don't drag spares of to gigs, either. Ditto for the sampler & sequencer that are also integral parts of our performance. My bass player carries his one Tobias bass to most gigs, and if it suddenly broke, we'd have to stop.

            There's always a measure of calculated risk in performance art, and everyone should make whatever emergency provisions they feel comfortable with. As for me, with the V-Drums, I only carry spare sticks & a couple of spare instrument cables to local gigs. On a tour, I might bring more backup gear, but nothing that breaks for me locally can't be replaced before the next gig.

            Your mileage may vary,

            -Danny
            -Danny

            Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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            • #7
              By the way, David, I just went back & noticed that you're here in Seattle! Rest assured, I've been lugging these things in and out of most of the clubs around here with no problems at all.

              If you wanna chat about it, I'm playing at the Central Saloon in Pioneer Square tonight with my band Liquid Messiah & my trusty V-Drums. Come introduce yourself & I'd be glad to talk about it more... We go on about 9 or 9:30pm.

              -Danny

              [This message has been edited by fartnokker (edited April 18, 2002).]
              -Danny

              Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by fartnokker:
                By the way, David, I just went back & noticed that you're here in Seattle! Rest assured, I've been lugging these things in and out of most of the clubs around here with no problems at all.

                If you wanna chat about it, I'm playing at the Central Saloon in Pioneer Square tonight with my band Liquid Messiah & my trusty V-Drums. Come introduce yourself & I'd be glad to talk about it more... We go on about 9 or 9:30pm.

                -Danny

                [This message has been edited by fartnokker (edited April 18, 2002).]
                I notice that there are a lot of Seattle residents on this forum. Any interest in starting a Seattle chapter of V-Drummers Anonymous? Seriously, it would be fun to get everyone together sometime...
                Check out my music: http://www.myspace.com/kellypaletta

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                • #9
                  Absolutely! We should get together & have beverages, tell lies, and talk drums!

                  Matter of fact, let's start another thread...

                  -Danny
                  -Danny

                  Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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                  • #10
                    I would be interested in getting together. do you guys live in the City or on the Eastside ?

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                    • #11
                      I was playing at Church and threw a stick...went to grab an extra and realized that I had left them at home. Right at the beginning of a song. I started to panic and the keyboard player saw what happened and leaned over and said, "just use your hand"...DUH!!!
                      Finished the song and didn't miss a lick. Hand was a little sore. Just another advantage to e-drums over A's...
                      Boom Theory Spacemuffins
                      TD6
                      HDI Cymbals

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                      • #12
                        I started to panic and the keyboard player saw what happened and leaned over and said, "just use your hand"...DUH!!![/B]
                        lol
                        Great tip!



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                        My bands: Meneer Van Zanten and The Shed (sorry, both in Dutch but you can see the pictures and listen to our songs)
                        My bands: Meneer Van Zanten and The Shed (sorry, both in Dutch but you can see the pictures, videoclips and listen to our songs)

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                        • #13
                          Redundancy is what you need, I use a Drumkat as my primary interface but I also have an old Yamaha DTS70 in my rack and a Yamaha DTX module just in case. That's 24 spare inputs in case the Kat takes a hike on me, just make sure the extra inputs are already setup for the pads you normally use for quick swap over if needed. I also use a Kurzweil K2000RVP and Emu E4XT for the same reason.
                          Drumkat Turbo 4.5, Emulator X3, Superior 2.1, Roland Fantom XR, DTXtreme III, SPD-20 etc.......

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                          • #14
                            Great info, thanks! It seems the thing to do (for me at least) is to carry a spare module just in case. I do have an Alesis D4 I picked up on Ebay and though it doesn't sound nearly as good as the TD-10, in an emergency, I wouldn't be complaining.

                            Danny, sorry I missed your band last night. We had a rehearsal and after get together hoo-ha but would like to catch up with you next time.

                            -David
                            -David

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                            • #15
                              No problem, David. Fleet, I live in the city.

                              -Danny

                              Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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