Have you ever wondered...

[edm]

Have you ever wondered if something would work with something else? If you find items that we have in stock and are wondering if they work together, let me know and I'd be happy to test them for you. I'm working on building a compatibility matrix for different brands of equipment because as I get different products in, I'm finding there's some truly cool stuff out there. For example, I think Yamaha has a ton to offer for Roland folks. Their pads are pretty neat and a lot of their hardware is, in my opinion, even better. Another example, a drum module plate from a Yamaha is a nice metal assembly instead of plastic one. Some things aren't as good though; Roland hi-hat pedals are truly nice for example.

Anyway, if you see items you'd like to have tested, let me know and I'll try to give you a report.

"A public service announcement of Drumbalaya!" ;-)

Ed
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Drumbalaya! Specializing in electronic drum equipment.
Ed Morin [ mailto:[email protected] ]
Phone: 866-881-9313 / 425-881-9313 FAX: 425-881-6000 http://www.drumbalaya.com

[hmasing]

Originally posted by edm:
...example, I think Yamaha has a ton to offer for Roland folks. Their pads are pretty neat and a lot of their hardware is, in my opinion, even better. Another example, a drum module plate from a Yamaha is a nice metal assembly instead of plastic one.

Hey, Ed - looking to move some overstock. :-)

- Hans

[sepdrums]

Ed - try this - there was a big discussion before about which mesh heads fit or dont fit other name brand pads...

I have found (and correct me if I am wrong) that Hart heads don't fit Pintech pads... I think Triggerheads and Rolands heads will fit either though... I forget... Give it a shot if you have both in stock.. I am outta Pintech stuff right now so I cant fart around with it...

Triggerheads, Harts Kontrol Screens, and Pintech's mesh heads all fit on both the Ddrum standard System 1 kits, and also the new SE kits (I had 2 of the first SE kits in the US....sold though)......

But anyway - when you complie your matrix of interchangability, include a mesh head chart....would be pretty valuable!!

Erik
SEPdrums

[snared]

Maybe everyone already knows this, but do the Yamaha CY-whatever, dual trigger, cymbal pads work(true dual triggering)with Roland modules? I might want to get some of them, but I want to know if they actualy have the same dual trigger characteristics as the Roland PD-9's, etc.

[Husky]

Yep! The yammi pads work great with a roland module.

[edm]

Originally posted by hmasing:
Hey, Ed - looking to move some overstock. :-)

- Hans

Well, we ALWAYS like to move stock! ;-)

Seriously though, there are some great suggestions here and I will see what I can do. I don't have any mesh head hart pads in stock at the moment, but will definitely see how interchangeable they are when I can and report back.

I should be able to do some of the other tests. I did play with an FD-7 on a DTXtreme the other night and found that it sort of works, but you don't get any variability. Really, best policy I found so far is to use the Yamaha Hi-hat pedals with the Yamaha modules. The FD-7 seems a little more versatile, but I will do some more testing and report back.

Ed
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Drumbalaya! Specializing in electronic drum equipment.
Ed Morin [ mailto:[email protected] ]
Phone: 866-881-9313 / 425-881-9313 FAX: 425-881-6000 http://www.drumbalaya.com

[edm]

Originally posted by feefer:
Hi Ed,

We've not had a definitive answer if the DTXtreme module works with the Roland mesh head pads (PD-100/120) and hi-hat (FD-7). Any info?

Thanks,
Chris

I played with hi-hats tonight. Bottom line (so far anyway): Use Yamaha hi-hat pedals (either one) with Yamaha brains. The HH60 is a closed-half-open type pedal and the HH80A is more "variable". The FD-7 did not really work with either the DTXpress or DTX 2.0. I do not currently have a DTXtreme unit to test as they are too new to show up on the used-equipment market.

Ditto for the Roland brains; Yamaha hi-hat pedals do not work with them well, if at all. I really like the FD-7 pedal too compared to the Yamaha pedals.

I will be messing with the various hi-hat pedals and the Alesis DM-Pro next, but haven't gotten that far yet.

BTW, I have tried some dual-zone pads, such as the Pintech CC102 with the Yamaha brains and they do seem to trigger. I think more work is needed to get the sounds to coordinate correctly.

More later...

Ed
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Drumbalaya! Specializing in electronic drum equipment.
Ed Morin [ mailto:[email protected] ]
Phone: 866-881-9313 / 425-881-9313 FAX: 425-881-6000 http://www.drumbalaya.com

[Drumsonly2002]

My set up is a bit different. I use 2 Alesis drum modules the D-5 and the Dm Pro mounted in a rack. With the two modules I have 10 outputs going into a 12 Channel Roland mixer. Got some processing gear etc. In the rack also. I converted a set of Argent drums into E Drums with silent mesh heads and Roland pizeo's and fomies. My drums look acoustic, sound acoustic and feel great with the mesh heads. The Alesis modules work great and not too expensive especially used. It's a great set up for low bucks and work every bit as good as a store bought solution. A store bought solution is great if you do not want to mess making your own unit.

[Steveo the Devo]

Originally posted by edm:
The FD-7 did not really work with either the DTXpress or DTX 2.0

Ditto for the Roland brains; Yamaha hi-hat pedals do not work with them well, if at all.

Ed, just to clarify. You can use a Yamaha HH pedal with the Roland module provided you use an adaptor. The 'shack' stereo --> mono adaptor when plugged into the Yamaha pedal will trigger the Roland module perfectly. Discovered this by necessity at a gig (they say that necessity is the mother of invention!).

In case you are not familiar with the 'shack' adaptor; it is a 6.5mm stereo male jack --> 6.5mm mono female socket. Of course it has to be wired the correct way around, part number from radio shack is 274-1520C.

[Steveo the Devo]

Another thought, perhaps if you used a reverse of the shack adaptor (ie. 6.5mm mono jack (male) --> 6.5mm Stereo socket (female)) then the FD-7 could work with the Yammie modules. Worth a try - I will give it a go next time I meet up with my buddy with the DTxpress.

Cheers

[edm]

Originally posted by feefer:
Hmm, interesting...

Add that to the list for another use for the the Shack adapter.

Chris

[This message has been edited by feefer (edited October 08, 2001).]

Ok, here's a bit of an update on this for y'all...

I used a "Shack Adapter" that splits the right and left channels from a 1/4" TRS stereo plug and played around with it using a Yamaha HH60 pedal and a Alesis DM-Pro brain (I had somebody request this test). I know nothing in this test is "Roland" per se, but I thought folks here might be interested to hear a little more about the theory about why this works because it certainly seemed odd to me the first time I read about it.

First, here's a little refresher about stereo cables:


_ ___ __________
<_X___|__________

^ ^ ^
| | |
Tip Ring Shield (thus the term "TRS" plug)

The "left" and "right" channels are transmitted on the "tip" and "ring" conductors and the "shield" is signal ground return for both of them.

The Yamaha HH60 (and probably the HH80A as well, but I haven't tried that yet) has a stereo jack on it. The signal that is important to get from the pedal to the Alesis brain (and also the Roland brain according to other posts on the subject) is ONLY on the "ring" part of the stereo plug. The "tip" signal doesn't work at all, so that's they it's important to use the Shack Adapter with it. Using a mono cable won't work here either because that shorts out the ring signal (I tried it thinking I'd save the cost of a Shack Adapter).

I hope this is useful to folks and if it isn't clear, I'm happy to elaborate further.

Cheers,

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Drumbalaya! Specializing in electronic drum equipment.
Ed Morin [ mailto:[email protected] ]
Phone: 866-881-9313 / 425-881-9313 FAX: 425-881-6000 http://www.drumbalaya.com

[Lammo]

I have just changed from a Yamaha DTXpress Brain to a Roland TD6 & I have suffered with the problem of my Yamaha HH60 not triggering the TD6.

Having trawled thru the forum here I stumbled on this string & got the answer I required.....unfortunately for us drummers who reside in the UK we cant get the Radio Shack adaptor (274-1520C) over here (Maplins, RS etc dont stock them)...but Maplins stock a 1/4" mono jack-1/4" Stereo socket which works fine. The grand price of 69p, stock code is FK11.

Now back to my drumming!!

[derekcfoley]

Yamaha PMC-1 hihat mod using HH60?

Hi Ed,

Enjoyed reading your postings about the HH60 - I was wondering if you could advise me - I'm planning on modifying a Yamaha HH60 to switch inputs into two seperate inputs on my old Yamaha PMC-1 - My pads are a really old "Cheetah" kit - its been gathering dust but works really well.

In the past I've tried the usual approach of 2 pads for hi-hat, as unfortunately the PMC-1 has no dedicated hi-hat switch input, also tried single pad using dynamic note switching (e.g. hard hit for open, soft for close, but obviously you lose the dynamic range of each sound doing this), and also using a footswitch to switch between "kits", one having open sound and one having the "closed" sound on the hi-hat pad.

After many years, my girlfriend's daughter has started drumming after me encouraging her, so thought it would be nice to set up my old kit for her to use, and for me to have fun on from time to time. Apart from a CMOS battery failing, it all still works after 20+ years.

Straight away I remembered the old Hi-Hat issue (or lack of)

I've decided the best approach was to switch inputs into the PMC-1 using a decent hi-hat pedal switch, so managed to get hold of a HH60 on ebay. Although the PMC-1 only has 8 inputs, using seperate inputs means sacrificing a ride cymbal input in this case obviously - my RX-17 will only play hi-hat open or closed independently, which is handy for this.

I've checked the HH60 pedal output with a continuity / voltmeter, and noticed that the signal appears to be digital - (was naievely hoping the switch or signal had a normally closed option on each conductor, alas but it only seems to output on the ring as you suggest when the pedal is depressed).

So I'm now thinking about making a basic transistor circuit e.g. a PNP and NPN transistor set to switch the signal to my two inputs with the base voltage driven by the pedal's output similar in action to a single pole double throw switch.

I'm assuming I might need a battery in a project box to control the transistors, although theoretically I'm wondering if I might instead be able to use the trigger signal itself from the pad signal "hit" to drive the transistor and redirect current towards input 1 when the pedal is depressed, with input 2 being used when the pedal is off.

In your opinion would this work? Am I going along the right lines with this approach?

[Some Day Grey]

Hi Ed,

Enjoyed reading your postings about the HH60 - I was wondering if you could advise me - I'm planning on modifying a Yamaha HH60 to switch inputs into two seperate inputs on my old Yamaha PMC-1 - My pads are a really old "Cheetah" kit - its been gathering dust but works really well.

In the past I've tried the usual approach of 2 pads for hi-hat, as unfortunately the PMC-1 has no dedicated hi-hat switch input, also tried single pad using dynamic note switching (e.g. hard hit for open, soft for close, but obviously you lose the dynamic range of each sound doing this), and also using a footswitch to switch between "kits", one having open sound and one having the "closed" sound on the hi-hat pad.

After many years, my girlfriend's daughter has started drumming after me encouraging her, so thought it would be nice to set up my old kit for her to use, and for me to have fun on from time to time. Apart from a CMOS battery failing, it all still works after 20+ years.

Straight away I remembered the old Hi-Hat issue (or lack of)

I've decided the best approach was to switch inputs into the PMC-1 using a decent hi-hat pedal switch, so managed to get hold of a HH60 on ebay. Although the PMC-1 only has 8 inputs, using seperate inputs means sacrificing a ride cymbal input in this case obviously - my RX-17 will only play hi-hat open or closed independently, which is handy for this.

I've checked the HH60 pedal output with a continuity / voltmeter, and noticed that the signal appears to be digital - (was naievely hoping the switch or signal had a normally closed option on each conductor, alas but it only seems to output on the ring as you suggest when the pedal is depressed).

So I'm now thinking about making a basic transistor circuit e.g. a PNP and NPN transistor set to switch the signal to my two inputs with the base voltage driven by the pedal's output similar in action to a single pole double throw switch.

I'm assuming I might need a battery in a project box to control the transistors, although theoretically I'm wondering if I might instead be able to use the trigger signal itself from the pad signal "hit" to drive the transistor and redirect current towards input 1 when the pedal is depressed, with input 2 being used when the pedal is off.

In your opinion would this work? Am I going along the right lines with this approach?

Just keep in mind - this discussion thread is over 10 years old, and the last previous post was well over 10 years ago...