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**Mick Wade** · 01-25-02, 03:00 PM

If memory serves, I think feefer put up a link quite a while back for a really good 5080 demo. I think the purpose of it was to display the quality of the drum sounds in comparison to the ones we're getting with the V-drum modules. I do remember listening and being pretty impressed. The link in question may also have been some sort of third-party (Sweetwater, et al.) expansion for the 5080, I'm not sure. Try a search under "XV-5080", maybe?

**Mick Wade** · 01-25-02, 03:11 PM

Here's the thread I was referring to in my previous post:
http://www.vdrums.com/discussion/For...ML/000810.html

Unfortunately, the links to Lil' Chips appear to be invalid. I went to their home page, but didn't turn anything up......

**drumlogic** · 01-25-02, 05:13 PM

Thanx for the replies guys, Cjude those audio samples sounded really good, but there were no drum demos in there. Mick, Everyone who did get tot hear those demos definitely seemed impressed to bad the links are all down. Hopefully someone has an mp3 laying around of this magnificent machine making drum sounds. Anyone?

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**jrcel** · 01-25-02, 06:19 PM

There are some MP3's on the Roland site under SRX series expansion boards, they are very nice, comparable to sampler CD roms I own. Stereo four way velocity cross switching, just like on my E4X Turbo. It's a very nice box, 44.1 khz outputs, internal sounds in Rom plus upgrade slots, plus it'll hold 128 meg of simms, 128 voice. In voice architecture and memory capablitities, it the equal of any big box out there. My Emu new was something like $3500 with 64 meg ram, 450meg Sound Sprint, the Esynth Rom set and a 2gig hard drive built in. The 5080 I've seen for $1750, the only thing it doesn't do is sample and no sequencer, it's a great deal. Plus you can load Akai CD's and some other brands as well, I think.

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**DougM** · 01-25-02, 08:41 PM

I was also curious about the Dynamic Drums board (available for the XV-5080) that several of you have raved about. I found a few mp3's at the following site.
http://www.roland.it/demoaudio_midi.htm

Scroll down the page and you will find a 4 or 5 demos.

**drumlogic** · 01-25-02, 10:16 PM

thank you to all, those demos sound amazing. I feel myself burning a hole in my bank account already. Lets see already, $5000 for a vsession, $1000 for 2 mackie srm-450's, another $1000 for additional cymbals/triggers and hardware, and now what another $2000 for a kick ass synth. Oh yeah and dont forget about my bbe 482 and all the extra cables I've bought in the past couple of months. Goddam this is one expensive hobby I've got here. FEEFER, I remember you were having problems using your hihat controller through the midi port into the synth, did you ever resolve that? Is it relatively easy to midi out of the td10 to this synth, or is another project as usual?

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-Drumlogic, V-session, Visulite/roland cymbals, (2)Mackie srm-450's, bbe 482 sonic maximizer, spd-20

**puttenvr** · 01-26-02, 11:28 AM

Nice sounds made by Roland. But I don't think they are better than I have now. The sounds have 4 velocity layers (ddrum MegaKits: 7) and at the end of the Big Rock kit demo even some machine gunning can be heard.

The sounds on the demo also are enlarged by the use of effects. An old Roland trick.

Nevertheless: good sounds by Roland. The best they made. Honest.

**drumlogic** · 01-26-02, 12:37 PM

Interesting, Are you telling me that the ddrum megakits: 7 has better/more realisitic sounding drums than the dynamic drums in the 5080 synth. Im not trying to start anything here but, someone has got to post some of the ddrum sounds in mp3 format. I am well versed in what the roland module's are capable of but you ddrummers are always claiming that the ddrums have the most realistic sounds. Are you also implying that the ddrum4 megakits 7 is free from machine gun triggering. I live in the us and have no way to sample a ddrum module. Can somebody make an mp3 showing off a few ddrum kits? hearing is believing.

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-Drumlogic, V-session, Visulite/roland cymbals, (2)Mackie srm-450's, bbe 482 sonic maximizer, spd-20

**drumlogic** · 01-26-02, 12:43 PM

BTW, I went to ddrums.com and listened to those demo's of the ddrum4. I dont think it would be difficult for me to reproduce those sounds with my vsession kit. I wonder if the mega kit 7 is a big difference from what is posted up there.

**puttenvr** · 01-26-02, 12:53 PM

To which sounds did you listen?

cAPSLOCK and Towerblock made some nice mp3 files from the MegaDrum kits. I guess you listened to some factory sounds.

And I didn't say that the MegaKits are better. I only said that the Roland sounds aren't better (when listening to the demos) than the MegaKit sounds I now have. Perhaps they are equal. Perhaps not. But see it in the light of todays technology, 24 bit and all that kind of bla bla ...

BTW: the sounds aren't called: MegaDrumkit 7. I did say that the MegaDrumkit sounds have 7 velocities.

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**puttenvr** · 01-26-02, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by feefer:
...what most people refer to as 'machine-gunning' has NOTHING to do with the quality of the samples,

Correct. That's what I always say.
But a device should be capable of reproducing the things you play, very fast. When the device can't do this: it will translate your playing into a staccato: RA TA TA TA TA.

The proof that machine gunning also has to do with speed and good dynamics is that is only occurs with rolls and not with single strokes.

Originally posted by feefer:
Also, the XV's effects are derived from the same circuitry used in Roland's SRV-3030 reverb unit: it uses a clean-sounding 24-bit processor that really opens up the sound.

True. But I would like to hear the sounds dry as well. Just curious if they are still good then...

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**drumlogic** · 01-26-02, 05:27 PM

feef, I figured as much with the midi situation. Midi latency is the primary reason why I'm not even bothering with any of that. And your right on with the machinegunning analysis, I just thought maybe the ddrums were a little more advanced in the area because putt said he noticed some in the 5080 demo. I dont think this will be so difficult for edrum manufacturers to overcome in time it just requires a little more processing power and a little more smarts inside the module to realize the same pad has been hit within a short period of time and not to retrigger the attack again. Well see in the future I guess. Oh well, I guess in my quest for more realistic drum sounds I'll just have to wait for the td-12 or the ddrum5. Which is why I am curious about the ddrums. I live in New York and I have NEVER seen a ddrum module in any sam ash, guitar center, or any other music store. Which is why I am interested in hearing what it is capable of. I'm not trying to start the whole "mine is better" thing I am just innocently curious about the ddrum's. Honestly is there a big diference??

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-Drumlogic, V-session, Visulite/roland cymbals, (2)Mackie srm-450's, bbe 482 sonic maximizer, spd-20

**drumlogic** · 01-26-02, 08:49 PM

Thanx for the info, you guys rock! cjude, your definitely right that mp3's and poor monitors definitely weaken my ability to faithfully compare them but it would give me an idea.

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-Drumlogic, V-session, Visulite/roland cymbals, (2)Mackie srm-450's, bbe 482 sonic maximizer, spd-20

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**drumlogic** · 01-26-02, 08:59 PM

WHAT!!!!!!!!!! The ddrum4 only has 10 inputs and 2 must be used for the hi-hat and 2 for the snare. What a freakin joke! How do you ddrummers deal with that. That reason alone would prevent me from ever even considering ddrums. Please tell me that all 10 triggers are at least dual channel inputs.

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-Drumlogic, V-session, Visulite/roland cymbals, (2)Mackie srm-450's, bbe 482 sonic maximizer, spd-20

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