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  • szvook please read this

    Hey all........ Yup,it's been a while.
    szvook I am so happy that you actually exist.
    Last,year,I almost thought I was the only one on this forum who plays electronica.
    they all got me preaching in the desert.
    I understand you play with a band?
    I'm very curious to see how it works.do you play aphex/squarepusher kind of stuff? I do
    I also saw someone mention autechre...
    I'm back in the game!!!!!
    Nabil

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    A fellow techno head .....finally!

    Yes I do play in a techno band and I do love Aphex Twin, Squarepusher, Autechre (their double album “Tri Repetae++” is my favorite). As well as Can, Kraftwerk, FSOL, Orbital, Prodigy, Leftfield, Meat Beat Manifesto, Loop Guru and way too many to mention at this time and we like to play styles like the ones these artists do, but we try to keep our style(s) as original as possible – that is very important to us, we do not want to sound like a band/artist that some are familiar with although we have been mentioned in that same categories as some artists mentioned above and that is ok with us, it’s not a bad category to be mentioned in. We do consider ourselves a live band and that is not seen as much in the “techno” genre IMHO and others that have seen us play.

    When my brother and I started in San Francisco, we had two other band members to make up a four members live techno band and we played live as much as possible – live meaning actually playing the instruments live as well as triggering loops and sequences. My brother and the two other guys played synthesizers/keyboards and I played electronic drums. I was using a TD-7 with SDS-7 Simmons at that time (man that was a long time ago). Since then I have moved on to a TD-8 and added a sampler. I still use the sampler to trigger loops while I play on top live, although I am trying to play live as much as possible and use loops less – it depends on what we are doing. Some times I will record my self playing live and sample what my band and I liked and use it as loop/sequence to trigger my own recorded part(s) and at times my brother will throw a loop that he has and I will just play live on top of what he wants. We try everything and anything to come up with something unique. At this point in time we are working with a singer who will be joining our band and we are working to approach a commercial market, so our style(s) is changing always. We will be looking to add a guitar player as well and maybe a bass player, but that is TBD as we move ahead.

    We try to cover as many “techno” styles as possible since we like just about all “electronica” styles out there. Trance, break-beat, brum-n-bass, down-tempo and experimental (like Aphex & Autechre) seems to our to choices as far as what we like the most, but at the same time we want to work on material that is closer to rock genre with a electronica feel as well.


    Anyway if you want to hear some our tracks go to www.javamusic.com and do a search for “tune”. That is/will be our new band name and I have put some tracks there for anyone that wants to hear us. Most of the material is being played live with a few loops/ sequences added here and there.

    If you have any tracks to listen too, let me (us) know. Try www.javamusic.com if want to put up your music, the site/service is free and quite fast to get your tracks up (MP3 format only) - unless you have your own website.

    Take care.


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    [This message has been edited by szvook (edited December 05, 2001).]

    [This message has been edited by szvook (edited December 05, 2001).]
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    • #3
      Hey..
      I was just listening to your tracks....wow ..
      Man! I wish I had my own band,we would have kicked your asses .I used to work with a dj/programmer ,and we did some pretty good stuff,but we didn't really get along as friends,so it's over now. solo but happy about it .I'm trying to find a way to trigger everything myself and become as much independant as possible.I try to create my own sounds too.right now,I'm focusing on d'n'b at 174 or faster,just like in drukqs
      I don't have any music online,but I think I will soon.
      P.
      Nabil

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      • #4
        Thanks for the critique.

        If you are thinking about working solo and having the ability to trigger everything by your self, then you might want to consider adding a sampler and maybe using a SPD-11 or something similar and you will have an arsenal of sounds/loops to go along with your TD-10 sounds. I have seen/heard Akiro Jimbo working in this matter and he sounded like a full band.

        D'n'b at 174 bpm you say, not bad. Drop a post when you have some material available, I would enjoy hearing your stuff.

        Late

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        • #5
          Hey Guys! What’s Up!? I too am a *techno* head. I love Squarepusher, have only heard the demo cd of the new Aphex Twin but Very nice stuff. I just wanted to post hear and announce to you Postnuklear that "I'm down" so to speak. Szvook and I have already met in another post; looks like it could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship.

          LIVE PA is the way to go! My group The Sound Hypothesis also cover many genres of EDM, breaks, house, trance, and DnB. We also improvise quite a bit when we play. I do not really understand how you guys are working everything out Szvook, I mean when you trigger samples how are they perfectly in time with all the other stuff going on? That has been a pretty big problem with us, keeping everyone synced. We try to have continuous sets mixing from song to song without stopping. It works pretty well until we have to up the tempo when making the switch to DnB, then we stop or do some “freaky swirl” as we might call it to cover the fade. For tracks check our website listed below. There is no DnB on the site at the moment but that will soon change.

          What I listen to,

          Hybrid, BT, Paul Van Dyk, Ronnie Size, DJ John Kelley, I love the breaks off of Nick Warren’s Brazil disc, a bunch of old records too such as various house tracks from the 80’s and back. Tons of funk music, Parliament type stuff. To be honest Szvook I have not heard all that much Kraftwerk, mostly due to the fact that I cannot find their records anywhere!!! When I say records I mean vinyl not just albums.

          Well I think I’ve wasted enough time at work on this post, certintly I’ve wasted enough of your time! So I’m out.


          peace out
          http://www.evolbeats.com



          [This message has been edited by Prototype (edited December 21, 2001).]
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          • #6
            Originally posted by szvook:
            D'n'b at 174 bpm you say, not bad. Drop a post when you have some material available, I would enjoy hearing your stuff.

            Late
            [b]Can you give me an example of what kind of tune would be D'n'B (Drums & Bass, I presume?)@ 174bpm? What tune? Using this as a barometer. Thanx!
            Thanx. Alex & me V's! http://photos.yahoo.com/flexapr

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            • #7
              Go to www.warprecords.com/warp/
              listen to Squarepusher /go plastic/track 03.
              this should be fast enough for ya
              Nice to meet you prototype
              P.

              [This message has been edited by postnuklear (edited December 22, 2001).]
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              • #8
                Szvook,

                Great stuff.
                The original Gig Pig.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Prototype:
                  I mean when you trigger samples how are they perfectly in time with all the other stuff going on? That has been a pretty big problem with us, keeping everyone synced. We try to have continuous sets mixing from song to song without stopping. It works pretty well until we have to up the tempo when making the switch to DnB, then we stop or do some “freaky swirl” as we might call it to cover the fade. For tracks check our website listed below. There is no DnB on the site at the moment but that will soon change.

                  I used to use a Simmons unit similar to the SPD11 midi’ed to my Emu. The Simmons was quite fast (main reason why I got it) and the Emu samplers are fast so I did not have any issues with latency that would be noticed. Practice is the only way to get used to triggering loops in synchronization whilst playing live on top. I’ve known people to have a loop or two playing at all times and they would faded in on the main console so one band member (usually responsible for the mix on stage before the FOH) would be responsible to monitor the loops and when to bring them in/up. My brother and I have worked the same way and it really frees me up to just play live as much as possible and not worry about triggering the loops on queue. The loops could my own recording or loops that my bro has programmed. At this time I trigger my Emu samples through my Simmons SDS-7.

                  First you have to be able to monitor the band and your self while playing to backing track such as loops and/or sequences.

                  In a typical configuration, a mono mix of the backing tracks is on one channel of a 2-track recorder, and the click track is on the other. The backing tracks are routed to a DI box and then sent to an input channel on the PA mixer (with the channel volume set to unity gain). The click track is routed to a headphone amp, which drives the drummer’s headphones (or an IEM). The drummer monitors the click with one ear and monitors the band or other music source like a DJ (using floor wedges) with the other.

                  For greater control of individual backing-track levels, a multitrack recorder can be used instead of a 2-track. In this example, six backing tracks and the click track are played on an 8-track recorder. The backing tracks are mixed to mono and then they and the click track are routed to the PA mixer and the headphone amp.

                  When it comes to paying in clubs/venues and using their PA, one more item to consider. Most clubs aren’t run in stereo, it makes sense to make your backing mix in mono. On one channel, you print the backing material and on the other, you lay down a reference click track. Make sure to prepare your mixes so that you have consistent levels from song to song.

                  Whilst making the transition between tracks and matching the tempo try to get/create a loop that will beat-match well with the next track and use it while you change your next kit and get into the grove for the next track. This will be quite affective and make you stay on top of the next beats that follow.

                  BTW, I checked out the track's you have available and not bad at all. But your drums are not as hot on the recordings as some might want you have when providing your music. What do you use to record your drums?


                  Long live "techno heads"


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                  Outboard gear: Focusrite Compounder, Drawmer MX-30, BBE-482, Aphex C-104, Behringer T1951 4-Band Parametric Tube EQ, Lexicon MPX1, Mackie 1402-VLZ, (Crown K2 amp & Cerwin Vega V-253 speakers = 1600 watts @ 4 ohms continues power, peak at 3000 watts) and Sony MDR-V700DJ headphones.

                  [This message has been edited by szvook (edited December 22, 2001).]
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by acidbran:
                    Szvook,

                    Great stuff.

                    Thank you. WEST SIDE!!!


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                    Outboard gear: Focusrite Compounder, Drawmer MX-30, BBE-482, Aphex C-104, Behringer T1951 4-Band Parametric Tube EQ, Lexicon MPX1, Mackie 1402-VLZ, (Crown K2 amp & Cerwin Vega V-253 speakers = 1600 watts @ 4 ohms continues power, peak at 3000 watts) and Sony MDR-V700DJ headphones.
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                    • #11
                      Sup’ Szvook? That sounds like a good way to do it, with the click track and everything. Currently I have a blank sequence on my td-10 that I load up before MY brother (ironically enough) hits play on the Master Time Piece (Currently the SP-808 EX Roland Sampler) Then I listen to the click on the TD-10 and hope that he cues his samples in time! It works for the most part.

                      When I want to use a sequence on the TD-10 I turn the volume all the way down, then change to the proper pattern. Because if I ever stop the sequencer, then I can no longer be assured it is in sync with the master. Kind of a pain but it is the only way that has worked thus far.

                      I really think what you have posted would work well for me. But there are some financial problems that prevent me from trying it out right away. For one…. we don’t have a mixer! Well we do, but it is an old Kelsley or something with few options, short outs and just a piece of crap! Also it seems we would need more than one sampler to have the click and backing parts on different tracks. Would we need more of a hard disk recorder to use in conjunction with our samplers and sequencers? The SP 808 probably could do all of that, but then my bro could only hit 4 samples at a time by hand and I don’t think he’d want that, probably get bored. Also I’m not sure if the thing has enough outputs.
                      your drums are not as hot on the recordings as some might want you have when providing your music. What do you use to record your drums?
                      I would need to know which tracks you listened to. Some were studio tracks that my brother created pretty much by himself and do not have anything to do with my V’s. Others are just live jams where we went from our KC 500’s directly into the PC, we recorded w/ Sound Forge. Acid was used for the studio tracks. I have no idea where he might of found the drum sounds for those.
                      WEST SIDE!!!
                      CRAP!! You really are a gansta’!!!! j/k

                      bad joke...

                      P.S.
                      I noticed that you have some Behringer equipment in your list. What do you think of that company? We are about to buy their studio monitors.


                      [This message has been edited by Prototype (edited December 24, 2001).]

                      [This message has been edited by Prototype (edited December 24, 2001).]
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                      • #12
                        Practice makes perfect, that and a few pieces of gear that work to your liking. Yeah the $ needs to be factored in as well, but at times you have to take the plunge if you are in need of gear to help your quest.

                        The tracks I heard seemed to have loops running underneath, so I guess they were the tracks that your bro did. I did not get a chance to listen to all of the tracks from the mp3 site, which tracks have you playing?

                        As far as Behringer - I do like their products, but I haven't played with many. The ones that I used and liked are/were mostly tube technology based gear, I like the warmth from the Behringer tube gear. The Behringer name seems to do ok in the market although many will post good and bad experience with them - but that seems to be common with many companies at times. The higher-end models get good reviews and are used by pro's and Behringer is no different and Behringer's gear is getting more noticed and used right now so I think they are doing something right, although a long and heated debate is going on between them and Mackie about how Behringer might have ripped of Mackie in some of the design features and that could make some buyers skeptical about Behringer. I have not heard their monitors to be honest, but I have heard from some that they are ok and seem to do the job well, it all depends on how LONG they work well and if pushed how they perform - are you getting the TRUTH B2031 monitors?

                        PS: It's actually an East side gangster who has expanded to the west.

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                        Outboard gear: Focusrite Compounder, Drawmer DL-241, BBE-482, Aphex C-104, Behringer T1951 4-Band Parametric Tube EQ, Lexicon MPX1, Mackie 1402-VLZ, (Crown K2 amp & Cerwin Vega V-253 speakers = 1600 watts @ 4 ohms continues power, peak at 3000 watts) and Sony MDR-V700DJ headphones.

                        [This message has been edited by szvook (edited December 26, 2001).]
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                        • #13
                          The break beat tracks were done in Acid and do not feature me and my V’s, however any trance song under The Sound Hypothesis was a live jam. But of course “live” is still subject to have loops or sequences in our world.

                          I checked out your tracks as well. Very good, I like! Esp. track one on the site, once the bass line kicks in it really drives that beat home! Not positive it was track one that I’m speaking of, the one with a tricked out break most the way through. The others were good as well, kind of the acid type sound if I’m correct.(?)

                          Behringer “Truth” monitors? I think so. When I went to their website they only had one model listed. There are some other brands that I want to check out as well though, some of the ones recommended over at dancetech.com mainly.



                          what’chu really know about the dirty south!?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Prototype:
                            ...Behringer “Truth” monitors? I think so. When I went to their website they only had one model listed. There are some other brands that I want to check out as well though, some of the ones recommended over at dancetech.com mainly.
                            I'm never into bashing anyone's product, but I feel compelled to opine that there are lots better powered monitors for your application for around the same price.

                            Here is a link to some excellent reviews of powered nearfield monitors by Rip Rowan. http://www.prorec.com/prorec/article...256AE100044F41 IMO Rip's ears are dead on and you may find the short and (I think) very accurate summaries helpful. Keep in mind that you will probably want to gravitate toward monitors with superior bass response and particular ability to handle transients (for electronica).

                            If you want to stay in the price range of the Truths, you might consider something like the Event 20/20s. But if you can afford them, get the Mackie HR824s, period. I just bought a brand new second pair for my new computer setup. They are far and away, the best value for money in monitors (and you will see that Rip [like most others] agrees enthusiastically).

                            BTW, I have a great 12:8:2 (12 track/8 bus) mixer that I will probably be selling if you are interested. Sounds like you could use one.

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                            • #15
                              Yes I’m very interested! Can you tell me what brand and model it is please?
                              http://www.evolbeats.com

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