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  • Modern Drummer basically trashed electronic drums

    Did anybody catch MD recent article on electronic vs acoustic drums. They leaned real heavy on acoustic with electronic enhancement. No one listed in the article said that electronic was better or even equilivent.

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    I noticed that too....seems like the big-wig studios prefer A's. Most favor Pro-tools.

    Oh well...

    Erik
    SEPdrums

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    • #3
      Originally posted by sepdrums:
      ...seems like the big-wig studios prefer A's. Most favor Pro-tools.

      Oh well...
      Of course you heard it here first. If you ask me, they may have even went a little out of the way to include some of the guys with electronic ties at all. JR sounded like he was taking the high road with Yamaha, then there's Kenny, etc.

      When drawing your conclusions though, remember that all of these guys have made and continue to make a big chunk of their respective livings in the studio. They all have a comfort level with a's, and they all have (admit it openly or not) some heartburn with e's. Look at the tone about constantly be asked to play with/over loops (which I can attest to), or making a "C" player clean up to an "A" player, of "fixing" our tracks in ProTools.

      There are however, some positive glimmers buried in the article about what the next generation of drummers might look like and some of the neat things the electronic technology (especially when paired with digital recording) allows. Please don't misunderstand me when I suggest that this is the way it is, I only mean right now this minute, by no means do I think things aren't changing. They always do. But for now, the article is a pretty accurate reflection, of what I see as I have discussed here previously.

      Here's a link to some of the text: http://www.moderndrummer.com/viewful...?alt=100001398

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      • #4
        Frankly I would have been surprised if any of the guys they interviewed said they preferred electronics, but I thought they might have found one guy to give a counterpoint to the article.

        Of course they are talking to guys that are given the equipment they use just so that DW or Yamaha can say they use it. And these guys are paid to be in the studio as opposed to paying to be there.

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        • #5
          MD has been anti edrums for a long time, especialy Rick Van Horn, who, every time he reviews a drumset, has to tell everyone how much he prefers 5" snare drums. I find much more useful info in Drum, they don't think like old farts when it comes to electronics. As far as what the pros use, there is alot of competition among these people, no matter how "budy budy" it might seem, there are only a certain number of high profile gigs out there and believe me, it's dog eat dog. No one is going to be the first out on that edrum limb to say he really likes using electronics when 90% of his work is with producers who dodn't care much for edrums. As for JR Robinson, I'm sure Yamaha said, look, you're endorsing our stuff now, how 'bout at least saying you use our edrum stuff.
          Drumkat Turbo 4.5, Emulator X3, Superior 2.1, Roland Fantom XR, DTXtreme III, SPD-20 etc.......

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          • #6
            It's strange that some of you guys are giving opinions on what you PERCEIVED about the article, yet there wasn't any real indication that these drummers were asked "which is better, a or e?" It's pretty pathetic to ask that question. Acoustics are acoustics, electronics are electronics. People who confuse them ought to not play drums at all. Don't make it an either/or issue. They both have merits and downfalls. I prefer to take the best of both worlds...
            "I'm not a guitarist, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!"

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            • #7
              Funny thing....I watched JR robinson jamming on the EXTREMES at the winter NAMM show... Heck, I even snapped some candids.... He was obviously having fun....said they were amazing, bla, bla, bla...

              Below is a pic...it is amazing what people do and say when it is all about $$....

              Erik
              SEPdrums

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              • #8
                So I guess the E's don't cut it after all?
                Steve

                'I only ever quote myself - except when I quote someone else' - me

                , plenty of , and , , triggered acoustics, , and a plethora of PA blah blah freakin blah...I mean does anyone care about the specifics of pedals, speakers, processors, hardware or anything that I'm using?? :confused: Hmmm, maybe this is an appropriate place to mention that I tried out a new cymbal stand the other day...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Steveo the Devo:
                  So I guess the E's don't cut it after all?
                  Limited application only in the professional studio environment (at least for the moment). That's not to say they couldn't work for you live depending on the kind of music you are into and your specific expectations and tastes.

                  And FWIW, JR does lug the things around with him. How much they get used is another matter.

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                  • #10
                    How Gay! I have an older issue of 'Roland Users Group' Mag. with Omar Hakim, JR, Pat Mastelotto, & more who all endorse the VPro. Does Yamaha lure these dudes away from Roland with more $$ or do they actually prefer the Yamaha?!

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                    Thanx. Alex & me V's! http://photos.yahoo.com/flexapr

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                    • #11
                      The commercialism is one of the things that got to me in the article. Everybody was just pitching their endorsement and not really saying anything else. The other thing about laying on loops and not really playing was another thing that left a bad taste in my mouth. If they wanted too, why use musicians at all? You really don't need them anymore. The computer can do it all. I hope that people are just playing with their new "toys" and will eventually go back to real playing and using the computer as an aid and not as the main instument.

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                      • #12
                        Roland does not have an endorsement program. If you see guys like Omar playing the V's, they bought them just like you did. If they gave sets away and paid guys to play them, I'm sure you would see more V's being used in the studio as well as live.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Alexander:
                          How Gay! I have an older issue of 'Roland Users Group' Mag. with Omar Hakim, JR, Pat Mastelotto, & more who all endorse the VPro. Does Yamaha lure these dudes away from Roland with more $$ or do they actually prefer the Yamaha?!
                          Mastelotto uses DW drums mixed with Roland and other pads, and some Paiste cymbals.
                          "I'm not a guitarist, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!"

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                          • #14
                            Whats up? I got to eat breakfast with Dave Weckl this weekend. He is my father's old time friend from stl. pretty cool guy. im almost as good as him? yeah right.
                            daniel

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by cliff:
                              Roland does not have an endorsement program.
                              Do you know that for sure? I'm a little surprised by that, but maybe they feel the market isn't large enough to throw the marketing at on a level with some of their other products. I don't have any e-drum endorsements, but can tell you definitively that Roland works typical endorsements on their other gear. Interesting.

                              There's always ddrum. Seems they'll pay just about anybody to play their stuff. (I may get it for that, but couldn't resist.)

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