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**Jimmy C** · 07-20-01, 11:30 AM

rsanto -

I talked with five or six people who have used the PSM 400 and they all told me that the E5 ear plugs are much better - primarily because of the improved bass response. I will be using the E1's for the first time at a gig this weekend. I am not sure how I will get my hands on a pair of E5's in order to try them (unless I buy them). Hopefully, my guitarist will be the first to spring for the E5's and I can test his pair

**mcconaghy** · 07-20-01, 01:36 PM

Forget about the E1's and E5's, and get some custom-fitted earphones instead. The results are MUCH better, and friendlier to your ears. You will ONLY get good results from an in-ear monitor system with custom-fitted earphones. In regard to the E1 and E5 earphones, Shure is charging a lot of cash for total s_h_i_t_e.
Seriously, why anybody would consider an in-ear system without custom-fitted earphones is beyond me. It's like wearing headphones, turning them up to 10 and still having sidefills blaring at full power.

Stu

**Jimmy C** · 07-20-01, 02:35 PM

Stu -
I guess I will find out tomorrow night how bad the E1's are first-hand Any recommendations on custom-fitted earphones?

**zekedrum** · 07-22-01, 10:36 PM

Originally posted by mcconaghy:
Forget about the E1's and E5's, and get some custom-fitted earphones instead. The results are MUCH better, and friendlier to your ears. You will ONLY get good results from an in-ear monitor system with custom-fitted earphones. In regard to the E1 and E5 earphones, Shure is charging a lot of cash for total s_h_i_t_e.
Seriously, why anybody would consider an in-ear system without custom-fitted earphones is beyond me. It's like wearing headphones, turning them up to 10 and still having sidefills blaring at full power.

Stu

**zekedrum** · 07-22-01, 10:40 PM

What earbuds are you using ? I am using E-1 and E5 with no problems of ear fatigue or stage volume bleed threw. .

Originally posted by mcconaghy:
Forget about the E1's and E5's, and get some custom-fitted earphones instead. The results are MUCH better, and friendlier to your ears. You will ONLY get good results from an in-ear monitor system with custom-fitted earphones. In regard to the E1 and E5 earphones, Shure is charging a lot of cash for total s_h_i_t_e.
Seriously, why anybody would consider an in-ear system without custom-fitted earphones is beyond me. It's like wearing headphones, turning them up to 10 and still having sidefills blaring at full power.

Stu

**mcconaghy** · 07-23-01, 08:15 AM

**Jimmy C** · 07-23-01, 09:35 AM

Well, my first time gigging with in-ear monitors was a success! I used the E-1's that came with the PSM 400 wireless unit. Very cool! I used to go thru band rehearsals with headphones, but this is the real deal. The ability to have whatever I want mixed however I want is great!

As for bleed thu - I didn't have any problems at all. Also, I had no ring whatsoever afterwards and honestly, probably had the volume down too low for the first two sets (okay, a little overstatement there!). I cranked it up a little more later just so I could feel like I was peaking with the audience as people began to dance, etc.

And maybe because I am not used to in-ear monitors - but I felt a little naked at times not being to hear everything that was going on around me in between songs. So, for me - I don't think I want TOTAL isolation. I mean, will we have to walk over to a microphone in order just to talk with each other on stage? So much for private stage conversations: "Did you check out the one in the red dress with the...uh, just kidding ladies and gentleman" .

Another drummer who introduced himself after the first set was checking out my e-drums and monitor set-up and was blown away (he was an elderly guy who wasn't really up with tech stuff). But he stood directly in back of me the whole freak'in gig and the paranoid side of me kept thinking he was doing or saying something I couldn't see or hear! Okay, that's obviously a personal issue I need to deal with

Let's see, the only tricky part was to try not to lay into my crash cymbals on the quieter parts of certain songs (I use all accoustic cymbals during gigs). But the only reason that was an issue was because we were lazy and didn't use an overhead mic for the crash cymbals, so that can be resolved easily enough next time by adding an overhead.

So, I definitely had a blast using them and the E-1's seem fine right now. I think my guitarist already ordered the E-5's, but if I upgrade I will look into the products Stu recommended. Right now (after only one use), I don't feel like I need to think about an upgrade...

**zekedrum** · 07-24-01, 04:48 PM

Thanks for the reply Stu. Right now I have a deal with Shure on the inear stuff they are sending me prototype buds so I don't won't to mess with that but I will check into the Westones .I had talked to them awhile back (Wendy I think) about custom earbuds for the E1 but I think I will check on the ones you rcommended. I had mentioned the Westone to the R&D guy at Shure and he recommended Westone and Futuresonic for custom ear pieces he said Shure was still learning the technology on inear monitors and had a ways to go yet , mics are there bread and butter and priority. I have never had my volume above 6 out of 10 on my bodypack but my whole band is direct and we are doing anywhere from 200 seat churchs to arenas. But anyway thanks for the heads up I will check into them.

Originally posted by mcconaghy:

**mcconaghy** · 07-24-01, 09:49 PM

Originally posted by zekedrum:
Thanks for the reply Stu. Right now I have a deal with Shure on the inear stuff they are sending me prototype buds so I don't won't to mess with that but I will check into the Westones .I had talked to them awhile back (Wendy I think) about custom earbuds for the E1 but I think I will check on the ones you rcommended. I had mentioned the Westone to the R&D guy at Shure and he recommended Westone and Futuresonic for custom ear pieces he said Shure was still learning the technology on inear monitors and had a ways to go yet , mics are there bread and butter and priority. I have never had my volume above 6 out of 10 on my bodypack but my whole band is direct and we are doing anywhere from 200 seat churchs to arenas. But anyway thanks for the heads up I will check into them.

It's good Shure is recommending Westone and Futuresonics, and learning from them. The PSM series in-ear systems are fantastic, I'm more than happy with my PSM 600, so much so that with my fitted earbuds I've never had the volume over 2!But then again, we don't have amps on stage, run direct into the FOH console, and have a rather quiet on-stage sound. I'd say go for the fitted earbuds, if you think you love your system now, you'll almost want to leave your wife and kids and marry this baby after you get some Westones!

I'm very opinionated on the in-ear topic, but I consider my ears my most important piece of equipment, and the protection of my hearing is something dear to me. I want to be able to hear my grandkidslater on in life. My in-ear system is the most important piece of gear in my rack, forget all the processors, effect units, samplers and what not, if I didn't have this I wouldn't play. Music's great, it's just not worth ruining your hearing for.

Stu

**Mick Wade** · 07-25-01, 12:54 AM

Originally posted by mcconaghy:

I'm very opinionated on the in-ear topic, but I consider my ears my most important piece of equipment, and the protection of my hearing is something dear to me. I want to be able to hear my grandkids later on in life. My in-ear system is the most important piece of gear in my rack, forget all the processors, effect units, samplers and what not, if I didn't have this I wouldn't play. Music's great, it's just not worth ruining your hearing for.

Stu

Preach ON, brother! I'm glad to see I'm not the only one that feels so strongly about this issue.

It still amazes me to this day how resistant some people are to the headphone/in-ear monitoring concept.

It's an accepted and embraced thing in a studio environment, but you try get these guys to use this same approach in a live situation and the roof caves in! I mean, how many professional bands do you have to watch using in-ear monitoring before you come to the realization that maybe there's something to this......

As my father once said on the first day of a new mandated "health food diet" as a table full of yogurt, soyburger, dried banana chips and carob products awaited: "If you don't eat it there's nothing to discuss."

[This message has been edited by Mick Wade (edited July 24, 2001).]

**mcconaghy** · 07-25-01, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by Mick Wade:
Preach ON, brother! I'm glad to see I'm not the only one that feels so strongly about this issue.

It still amazes me to this day how resistant some people are to the headphone/in-ear monitoring concept.

It's an accepted and embraced thing in a studio environment, but you try get these guys to use this same approach in a live situation and the roof caves in! I mean, how many professional bands do you have to watch using in-ear monitoring before you come to the realization that maybe there's something to this......

As my father once said on the first day of a new mandated "health food diet" as a table full of yogurt, soyburger, dried banana chips and carob products awaited: "If you don't eat it there's nothing to discuss."

[This message has been edited by Mick Wade (edited July 24, 2001).]

You can't teach old dogs new tricks, or young dogs new tricks either, for that matter, when it comes to rock musicians. I think I'll still be hearing the "it's just not Rock'n'Roll" comments until the day I retire, but then again, I know I'm going to be the only rock drummer in the retirement home who can still hear a word the attractive nurses are saying ;-)
The last straw which made me go in-ear is quickly told. I couldn't use my headphones on a festival gig. The sound guy simply refused to accomodate me, and I thought, what the heck, one gig using sidefills won't do me any harm. Well, after the second song the monitor wedge exploded. The speaker got ripped to shreds, and the speaker grill got torn up, sending shreds of metal and wood splinters flying everywhere, but mainly hitting me in the back and side of my head and if I hadn't been wearing ear plugs, would have perforated my eardrum. I have scars which will always remind me of a gig which ripped three quarters of my left ear off.
Before then I had always wanted to go in-ear, but couldn't afford the gear. After then I made sure I could afford it.

Stu

[This message has been edited by mcconaghy (edited July 25, 2001).]

**Mick Wade** · 07-25-01, 06:10 PM

YEEEOUUCCHH!! Um, where did I put those Garwoods?

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