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  • a ddrum user considers v-drums!

    [there's a thread that is the reverse of this on ddrums.com ...]

    the ddrum is great, fantastic, fluid... but other than editing the onboard sounds w/ pitch, decay, level... there isn't too much else other than loading your own samples which, not including the process of SAMPLING, is quite the slow process. if you're into rock or stuff that's down with the acoustic drum sound the ddrums are pretty much unsurprased as far as i can tell. but for distinctly electronic music, unless you like the dorky provided e-sounds or have the patience to make your own samples and load them (maybe having to repeat the process if the sound needs a little tweaking), it is a little lacking. the lack of multisampling also hurts. if only clavia had thought to make an editing program that was even 1/10 as slick as the interface on the actual ddrum brain... heaven. but alas, you want your own samples? sorry, no multisamples, not as good of sample compression as the provided sounds.. have fun!

    of course i could get a sampler, but i want things to be as simple as possible, IE no MIDI if possible. just the drums, fx, mixer, amplification.

    i am looking for an 'e-drum sound'. how ridiculous can the COSM get? i haven't been able to really delve into the programming on my visits to mars music or guitar center on the td8/10.. i'm going to try to get there tomorrow before many people arrive. the preset sounds are pretty nice, certainly. it sounds like it can be very promising, especially with the fx (which may or may not suck, but will certainly affect the sound!)

    there are also other minor concerns.. ie, i'd like to mount my highhat ANYWHERE and still be able to put the pedal in it's normal place. no go with a normal highhat!

    if the vdrums are indeed what i'm looking for anyone in the texas area wanna do a trade? i figure that my set (basically the ddrum system 1) would go for a little over the v-custom. ideally i'd like a v-pro! i could add some cash? hey let's talk! email me at.. [email protected]

    also i will be doing some archive searching (web searches are futile as all that pops up is roland propoganda).

    please excuse the lack of proper grammer, punctuation, any spellings etc. many waking hours!

    [ps, the new signature megakits sound nice but where are the thuddy prog rock toms of yesteryear? i'd like to see a Jaki Liebezeit signature kit!]

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    Hi,

    I also play ddrums, I think you should look at the DMPRO module, which has great electronic sounds and you can layer and tweak everything you want. I downloaded the user manual from the Alesis website and was really impressed because of all the features...

    It has 16 inputs and you can also upload samples on it. The samples are 20 bit. I also plays sequences and

    I think it might be a great addition to a ddrum4 kit.

    Good luck!
    to v or not to v?

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    • #3
      I have to agree. The DMPro would make a great addition to your ddrum rig. It makes an great addition to my TD10. You should check it out, it does a lot of things. So if you really want to get it there and create the DMPro is real powerful. Also, if you can find on used...on ebay or the like.......try and find an old EMU PROCUSSION. That was an awesome piece of gear as well. It's discontinued, but if you come across one check it out. BTW, if any body knows where I can find one, I will buy it!
      Matt "The Gladiator DP" Saunders

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      • #4
        It seems that lots of people like the Procussion. It is too bad that the internal powersupply stops working every 3 or 5 years or something. So it might seem cheap when you buy it, but it keeps costing you money....
        Music was my first love...

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        • #5
          what kind of tweaking can the dmpro do? (i am on a modem and am pained to download things as my roommate and i frequently play "who gets to use the internet" - one phone line sucks! hopefully we'll get broadband soon.

          the reason why the td-8/td-10 is so attractive to me is the possibilities (as far as I can tell) with really warping sounds via COSM and the onboard fx (crappy as they allegedly are!).

          i'll see what i can find w/ the dmpro - thanks!

          can anyone give me a good rundown on COSM (that isn't as vague as roland propoganda - ie, how drastic can the settings be/ sound), the fx, and the sequencer?

          it's paragraphs like this that make me consider vdrums:

          "One final advice for you DJourg: if you want to have experimental sounds and effects as well: keep the Roland TD-10 and merge it with the ddrum4 for acoustic sounds. If you want to use the ddrum as your main instrument: wait for the ddrum5, which will have much more memory to store all your own (effect) sounds into it"

          -- this is from the "Vdrum user considers ddrums" on ddrums.com. I'm not too interested in acoustic sounds beyond very minimal things, so.

          also, i dig the pads a whole lot.

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          • #6
            Thanks for quoting my words. My bank acount is ......

            sglitsos, as I said before: the td-10 has more experimental options than the ddrums ever will have. I don't know about the DMPro. Perhaps this is even a better module for electronic sounds. If you like to turn on buttons and experiment, then a drum module is a good option. If you can find or download prefab electronic sounds, then I would consider a sampler (don't be afraid that a sampler is difficult) since you can load every sound (even spoken words) into it.

            Good luck with searching and testing.
            Robert

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            • #7
              i have no problem with the difficulty of samplers (i was weened into the sampling world on the ensoniq mirage and have experience with akai and emu samplers as well).

              i was more concerned with having a self-contained module ie, one i DON'T have to sample with to get the in sounds from far out that i lust for(or approximations thereof).

              bah!

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              • #8
                Just a side note on the hi-hat positioning: Someone (I forget who!) makes a cable-driven hi-hat that does not have to be positioned directly above the pedal, on a stand. There may be more than 1 manufacturer of these.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by drmoze:
                  Just a side note on the hi-hat positioning: Someone (I forget who!) makes a cable-driven hi-hat that does not have to be positioned directly above the pedal, on a stand. There may be more than 1 manufacturer of these.
                  Tama, Yamaha and DW all make remote hats...

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                  • #10
                    "Tama, Yamaha and DW all make remote hats..."

                    ...but how would I go about using this (WITHOUT expanding) WITH a pedal?

                    See, the only way to use the highhat function of the ddrum4 (as far as I know) is to use the highhat trigger and a highhat stand.

                    the roland and ddrum highhats work differently.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by sglitsos:
                      "Tama, Yamaha and DW all make remote hats..."

                      ...but how would I go about using this (WITHOUT expanding) WITH a pedal?

                      See, the only way to use the highhat function of the ddrum4 (as far as I know) is to use the highhat trigger and a highhat stand.

                      the roland and ddrum highhats work differently.

                      Since the Roland Hihat works differently, as you stated, you won't need a cable (or remote) Hihat, I think you were thinking about X-Hats, the closed HiHat holders that don't have a pedal. Anyway, on the Roland systems, the HiHat pedal is not physically connected to the HiHat pad, so you can position your HiHat pad anywhere you like, and still keep the pedal where you're used to having it, no problem.

                      Stu
                      "Fry that sound effect, Moriarty, we're having it for breakfast"

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by sglitsos:
                        "Tama, Yamaha and DW all make remote hats..."

                        ...but how would I go about using this (WITHOUT expanding) WITH a pedal?

                        See, the only way to use the highhat function of the ddrum4 (as far as I know) is to use the highhat trigger and a highhat stand.

                        the roland and ddrum highhats work differently.

                        Have you ever seen a remote hat? They clamp to existing hardware (rack, stand whatever), and a cable comes from the bottom and runs to a pedal that you can put wherever you'd like... So you have a stand to put the trigger in, and a pedal to work it with...
                        Check DW's remote hats to see what I mean

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                        • #13
                          wow, very slick!

                          that solves _that_ problem (albiet at a cost....)

                          ohwell!

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