suspended cymbal roll

[HammersSon]

I am just beginning to explore the TD-10 and it's sounds. I have a new expanded version.
I was surprised that there is no wave form for a "mallet suspended cymbal cresendo roll". Wow, even some keyboards have one in their drum patches.
Did I miss something, or is there one in there that I haven't seen? Has anybody created a good one? Hmmmm. This is a sound I could really use a lot of in my playing...

[This message has been edited by HammersSon (edited March 17, 2001).]

[bz]

There is a mallet ride and a mallet crash in the TDW-1. I dont have the number because I am at work. I'll get them for you tommorrow if no else does it sooner.

[Boingo]

Originally posted by HammersSon:
I am just beginning to explore the TD-10 and it's sounds.

I was surprised that there is no wave form for a "mallet suspended cymbal cresendo roll".

Look harder. #822, #868.

I have my cymbal sensitivity up higher than the defaults, around 9 or 10 and I use the Log 1 curve. I find you can do a roll and really control some of the crashes (thin 16" for example) to get a nice bright swell. It also saves wear and tear on the wrist once you get used to not bashing the pads. There are several original and expanded crashes I use for this effect. Experiment a little.

[HammersSon]

Boingo,
I got your reply, thanx. But, I already found #822, and #868 before I made the posting. True, these are mallet cymbals, but the operative word in my original posting was "cresendo" cymbals. What I was looking for was more like a sample of a mallet cymbal roll that cresendos for like 3 seconds. Something you strike once, and the roll cresendos from 0-127. (similar to the auto-snare roll. I have found samples like these in keyboard drum maps before, and they were actually acceptable.
I am using a "Zendrum" controller with my TD-10 sound module, so I am not using sticks, just my fingers. This might explain why I am looking for an auto-roll, as opposed to just having the sound available to me where I can do the roll myself...

[Boingo]

You might want to play with the decay setting although too much decay is unnatural sounding. There might be a cymbal or two that might get you close. Who knows, pumping up the ambience and effects and adding a little compression might get you there also.

Maybe someone will get real creative and do something with a pattern.

Well, that completely emptied my brain.

[HammersSon]

Thanx Boingo

[DJourg]

Originally posted by HammersSon:
What I was looking for was more like a sample of a mallet cymbal roll that cresendos for like 3 seconds. Something you strike once, and the roll cresendos from 0-127...

I think this can be simply solved by the on-board sequencer. The sequencer records in real time (as you play on the pads, kind of like tape recording yourself). Go into patterns, select an empty pattern number, and perform a crescendo with the desired cymbal sample.

Make sure the sequence type is a 'one-shot' and you've got your one-handed, one-stroke cymbal swell.

DJourg

P.S. It just occurred to me that there is a reverse-cymbal sample (don't know instrument #, it would be in the effects group). I've messed with this a bit; this resembles a cymbal swell somewhat. Tweak the decay, pitch, and EQ; you may like it. I could imagine this being used with the sequence I described above -- alternate between the two maybe? -- might be interesting. Another thing I do is assign a hi-hat pitch bend to the reverse cymbal. Nice noise.


[This message has been edited by DJourg (edited March 18, 2001).]