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    I don't generally start posts, and the ones I do start tend not to be of a random nature, but suddenly, I got caught up in this reflection that was drifting through my transom , while reading Jrcel's comments about the V-drum/Ddrum/Yamaha thing, probably because I can feel Jrcel's frustration, I've had it myself.

    Sometimes I stop and think that we're all here at this board and although we all love the path we've chosen, and we all love our e-drums [whatever flavor they might be], but we all still wish the the package was more complete.

    To a few of us, it's not enough to be at the forefront of drums and technology, but we do our best to push it further than where most of the products we use reside - that sweet spot between what is possible technologically (i.e. what we want)and what is reasonable financially for the companies to produce(i.e.What they're giving us).

    A lot of people here take that as complaining, or roland-bashing, but they're fools. It may take the form of complaining, but I elect to think of it as a desire to chip away the stone little by little so that what we're left with is a perfect product.
    I would view complaining as vocalizing dislikes about what I have, which is off the mark. I do, on occasion, vocalize about what I'd LIKE to have, which I'd suggest is more wishful thinking than complaining.

    I guess all we see is what we want.
    I know that's all I see.

    I just read recently in a post where one of us (regretfully, I don't remember who) said something to the effect of, "I never had as much fun with my old acoustics as I do with my v-drums"

    Boy is that true.

    I love my V-drums, and I feel the same way - there are things that I've always wanted to do but couldn't until I got my v-drums (no matter how I tuned my low tom so it would sound kinda like a bass drum ), and the kit has opened up endless doors for me as a player.

    Electronic drums afford us the opportunity to express ourselves in a way that we never could before. Sometimes I think up things to do on my kit that I think would give a traditional player a heart attack. Depending on how we approach our still-evolving instrument, I'm not sure some of us are still technically "drummers."
    I get tiny revelations of new things I can try all the time on my electronics.

    That said, I doubt I'll ever stop wishing that certain things were easier, or sounded better, or that certain useful features could be added.
    This is the expression of the creative mind. This is why we have things that make our lives better, like cordless telephones - because someone didn't like the way it was before, and changed it.

    Sorry for the long and probably senseless rant. I just thought I'd see if anyone had a thought on that as well.


  • #2
    I don't think that was a senseless rant , well said Binary



    • #3
      Binary - I am most likely going to sell my acustic set for many of the reasons that you bring up. If I had been without my V's
      for the last 4 or so years I most likely would have stopped playing. AS time goes
      on I find myself less and less worried about the latest and greatest product from any
      manufacture, I like what I have.

      Go Go Team v-Drums !!


      • #4

        'Go Go Team v-Drums '

        Sorry, I got a little caried away.
        I feel better now.


        • #5
          Nice post. I'm caught in two worlds. I love playing the acoustic drums alot and love the dynamics and live sound of a real kit. Just something about a real drum that makes my heart pound. On the other hand, the e drums give me control over sound and allow me to practice where the acoustic is just not possable. So if I want to practice, I really appreciate owing the e drums. I filled in for a drummer last night using his acoustic kit, and brought my e drums also. Wanted to show the band the capabilities of the E drums and advantages. The E drums impressed the band much more than the acoustic kit due to pre processed and controlable sound, plus low stage volume. When I turned up the e drums I practacally ripped everyone's ear drums out with a demo of how much gain without feedback, and how quality sound can easily be accomplished. Made the walls shake when I cranked the kick. The love affair with e drums occurs when player and his tools work as one, and getting the most skillfully out of such tools. Sure I'm a ex die hard acoustic drummer, but when the percussive sounds of a e drum come out of a speaker, it's something to cherish. Makes my heart pound as much as any acoustic kit. I need e drums to do my job, and my tools keep working and practicing.

          [This message has been edited by Zorro (edited February 11, 2001).]


          • #6
            Nice thoughts, Binary. If your "long and senseless rants" are always this meaningful, perhaps you should rant more often.

            And feefer, what topic would be complete without your well-mannered and cerebral point of view on things?

            A+ for both you guys!

            P.S.: I've got an extra copy of Plato's "Republic" if anyone needs to borrow it.....

            [This message has been edited by Mick Wade (edited February 11, 2001).]
            TD-30 / SPD-SX /Alesis Strike Multipad


            • #7
              Another thought.

              With all that talking about our instruments: don't we separate our equipment to much from the art (playing)? I wonder: are there discussion boards for painters as well? Do they talk about conventional paints vs air-brush techniques as well?

              I agree on just loving our e-drums.

              Zorro: I played an acoustic kit in a club 2 weeks ago and - holy sh.... - how bad were the dynamics in that live situation. Most frequencies fly away in room and the microphones pick away another part of the dynamics. Here I go again with talking about our equipment


              • #8
                Originally posted by Mick Wade:
                Nice thoughts, Binary. If your "long and senseless rants" are always this meaningful, perhaps you should rant more often.

                I think the last thing anyone here wants is for me to rant more often....



                • #9
                  BRAVO to one and all!

                  Originally posted by feefer:
                  ...Maybe it's the same with e-drums: they won't fix your time or groove, give you bigger 'ears', increase your musical comprehension/vocabulary, etc.
                  True and false.

                  In my case, aquiring the V's lit a spark in me to embark on an new field of study, of which would not have happened otherwise. When I realized the possibilities that were available with this system, it encouraged me to learn about MIDI, a vague term to me prior to going electric. I then knew I just had to have a synth and IT'S possibilities to compliment the V's. This in turn re-kindled an old desire to resume my piano lessons. E's have also resurrected my ancient desire to pick up that music degree that I long ago abandoned. What originally began as an impulse purchase to just have a 24/7 practice set around opened up an entirely new universe to me. I feel young again!



                  • #10
                    That "True and false" statement is true.
                    Because of E-drums, I was able to get a more effective practise, using the metronome(being able to hear the thing!) and knowing if you hit the crash at the correct time as the click or even your favorite cd. Or just simply because now, you can also hit the surface harder (and not wake someone up) resulting in a productive exercise. Also not forgetting to mention, it saves our ears, imagine how much hearing loss is obtained from drummers using primarily acoustic drums!


                    TD8 with PD7's, 2 KD7's (From previous TD7)
                    Tama Rockstar with mix of Sabian, Zildjian and Paiste.


                    • #11
                      You guys are right on the money! One aspect of the V's I love is when somebody just starting out on drums comes to house and see's the V's in my den. Then when they play them for the first time and eyes just light up, they always end up saying...I want one of these!!!! That alone reminds me why I bought them in the first place. Plus Since I live in housing development with *****y neighbors, I can have other musicians come over and bring their Bass, Guitar and keys and we all play through headphones...NO COMPLAINTS it's great, not to mention we can play till midnight.


                      • #12
                        Yes ... All great thoughts for sure.
                        Playing semi-pro for the past 30+ years
                        all with my acoustical Yamaha Recording Customs, purchasing an e-set has indeed re-opened many doors that were once closed off. Besides having an incredible resource of hi-tech gizzmos to keep me interested & entertained ... the most important aspect for me is that I can indeed play around the clock. Having (3) kids that "go down" fairly early during the weekdays, it was virtually impossible for me to pick up a pair of sticks after hours. Yes, I can complain about the "feel" & "sounds", but man ... I can play & are these FUN! ... that to me is whats really important.


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by AkristaK:
                          Then when they play them for the first time and eyes just light up, they always end up saying...I want one of these!!!!
                          I don't know. I had my TD7 set for 5 yrs, and
                          when I tried the Vdrum on display at a local store here about 3yrs ago, it didn't actually "light my eyes up." I am saying this in comparison to my TD7. However, I will be open and try it again as I found out that a Vdrum is on display at that store again. This time, I will ask them to let me play at a "hearable" decibel.
                          Also, after reading you guys' posts, I will try all the stuff you guys mentioned this afternoon. But if I am impressed, I will only think about buying it in 10 yrs time when the price drops equivalent to "Blondestud's" offer price of $1,200.
                          I can wait.



                          TD8 with PD7's, 2 KD7's (From previous TD7)
                          Tama Rockstar with mix of Sabian, Zildjian and Paiste.


                          • #14
                            Wait! I know what I'll do.. I will bring my headphones there this time!
                            (this shop sucks in that it doesn't let customers even test out their cymbals on display. Salesgirls can't stand the volume)

                            TD8 with PD7's, 2 KD7's (From previous TD7)
                            Tama Rockstar with mix of Sabian, Zildjian and Paiste.


                            • #15
                              Great posts and thread. I remember when I was just getting to grips with my first full blown edrum kit, I read the Bill Bruford interview in Modern Drummer where he said , acoustic drums are a lovely "chamber instrument", I was taken aback at first but then I realised he was right. I then read a Ddrum ad where Jim Keltner said, "like gutarits, drummers can have a holo body acoustic and a solid body electric" also right. I know I go on and on about things I wish Vdrums did, but there's a method to my madness. Vdrums OS is Flash Rom, meaning if anyone at Roland is reading these posts, the stuff I've been wishing for may appear on the V module. Third party developers can also upgrade the OS at some future point. Off the point I know. Edrums, all of them are great, how else can you play a small club and sound like you're in a $500 an hour studio by just pushing a button. Have total volume control and tonal control. They won't make you play better, that's your job, but they are the most usefull tool drummers have recieved since Papa Jo Jones invented the hi-hat stand 70 or so years ago. I'm still blown away by what even the most basic edrum modules and kits can do.
                              Drumkat Turbo 4.5, Emulator X3, Superior 2.1, Roland Fantom XR, DTXtreme III, SPD-20 etc.......