ecymbals

[roya]

just wanted to know if the ecymbals are making a lot of noise...
and the second thing is who i making them..

thanks a lot

[puttenvr]

Most e-cymbals are made of plastic and make some noise.

Pintech, Visu-lite, Hart Dynamics and ddrum offer them. Roland and Yamaha use rubbers pads for e-cymbals (less noise, but a different play feel)

[rudi-mint]

I have the plastic crash cymbals by Hart. They are not much louder than the rubber pads. They come with springs, and feel just like a real cymbal. They also trigger perfectly with the td-8. I am going to try the metal ride and hihats from Hart also. I here they work great also.

Kurt

[Indra]

Rudi, have you played the black wedge Series X Hart crash/ride/hats and if so how did you think they compared with the plastic Hart real looking cymbals which im guessing is what your using now??? I have played the wedge ones and they were pretty cool, i thought way better then the round rubber pads but havent been able to find the other Hart cymbals to try...

[rudi-mint]

Right now I have the wedge hihat and the wedge ride and two plastic crashes. The wedge hihats and ride work and feel good, but the bell on the ride doesn't work real well. You have to hit it pretty hard to make it work.
I have heard that the new metal ride and hihats feel just like real ones. I love the plastic crashes they look and feel real. I also have two roland rubber pads for cymals. They work good but do not feel like cymbals. I highly recomend the hart plastic cymals for crashes and the metal ones for ride and hihats. The metal ones are a little noisier than the wedge one so if that is a problem go with the wedge ones.


Kurt

Almost forgot. The plastic Hart's are not chokable, so that may be a factor.

[This message has been edited by rudi-mint (edited January 12, 2001).]

[BtnkBndt]

I recently sent these questions to Hart. This was Brian Peets reply. He is a member here somewhere?

I am very interested in the EcymbalsII & Pros. A few questions though.

Are they chokeable on the Roland TD-10?

Sort of confusing on the info, are the hats static or will they open and close? If not, can they be altered to do this? I have the Visu-lites and really like the operational feel.

Have you conquered the ride bell on the (fsr) input or is it still a two input deal? Had to ask.

I like the idea of real cymbals (I miss the feel), any plans on others for crash, splash?

Thanks, anxious for your reply,

We now make chokeable polymer crashes that will work with the TD10. They are available in 12" & 14". The hats are designed to operate in the closed position only. The ride requires 2 inputs. We have made metal crashes, but they feel terrible (2 cymbals riveted together). Polymer only!

Please let me know if you have any other questions.

Thanks,

Brian Peet
Hart Dynamics, Inc.

I know I am at least going to pick up the ride and a couple crashes soon. Okay SEP, hint hint knudge knudge

[sepdrums]

I am going to be at NAMM next week so I will get some info on the new ecymbals from Hart. I have yet to see them, so I can't say much right now....although I need to disagree with Brian on the ecymbal rides ..I use one in my rig and I really like it... It sounds terrible acoustically but it feels pretty good IMHO...

Erik
SEP

[@oM]

"The ride requires 2 inputs."

Erik, that's the only thing Brian is saying about the ride...

BTW how do you mean 'sound terribly acoustically'? Do you mean it makes a lot of noise or the (little) noise it makes, sound terrible?

Tom

[sepdrums]

Acoustically I mean it is a bit noisy for an electronic cymbal. It sounds like you are playing your countertop. But it triggers nice and feels pretty good.

Erik
SEP

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I use the Hart E-cymbals, the ride rides fine, but unless I am doing something wrong, the bell only works by how hard you strike the e-cymbal ( using the TD10 ) I started with the e2 hh's, and for me the problem was two fold. It makes alot of stick noise, I play with headphones most of the time and everything else is quiet, except the hat...tick ..tick...tick... i then went to the Hart rubber / plexiglass wedge, my elbow started to ache on the 1st night, then the trigger malfunctioned...i needed a hat right now, so I bought a Roland pd7 as a temporary and it stayed. I think the pd7 is the best choice for a hat ( for me) also you can use it for dual triggering as the Hart hats don't

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Rob

[Chippy]

Like many people here, I am VERY intrigued by the new Hart metal EcymbalII Hi Hat and Ride cymbals, but am concerned about the ambient stick noise (apartment dweller here!!). Has anyone tried layering some "extremely thin" rubber on the surface to cut the stick noise (I would plan on trying this both on the hitting area, and ONLY on the non hitting area)? What about attaching "acoustic foam" to the back of the cymbals? I have a drummer friend attending NAMM, and I'm looking forward to what he and SEP have to say about these metal cymbals. If they seem to track well and feel good, I hope to buy the Hats and experiment on ways to keep the feel and tracking while cutting the ambient stick noise (Of course the good news for Peter Hart is with me experimenting, I'll probably end up buying 2 pairs in the end!!!).

Speaking of Ecymbals, if ANYONE knows how to get their hands on a Concept1 cymbal, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. These make the absolute BEST crash cymbals, and I've been very bummed since they apparently went out of business (God I wish I had ordered 2 cymbals when I had the chance, instead of one!).

[sepdrums]

Chippy....
I use both the metal ride and hat. I like them, but like I said before they are loud....probably not for apartment playing...try the series x. The hat comes with a rubber pad on it, but I still use the metal surface. I may try those new cymbal sock covers.

Erik
SEP

[Eric]

Originally posted by rudi-mint:
Right now I have the wedge hihat and the wedge ride and two plastic crashes. The wedge hihats and ride work and feel good, but the bell on the ride doesn't work real well. You have to hit it pretty hard to make it work.

The plastic Hart's are not chokable, so that may be a factor.

[This message has been edited by rudi-mint (edited January 12, 2001).]

On the TD8 when using the Hart Cymbal pads you should plug the ride cymbal into the 11/12 input on the module. This should correct the problem with your Series X ride cymbal and bell. You'll just have to do a few minor adjustment to your settings.

Also, the Hart Crash cymbals ARE chokeable on a TD8

[Indra]

I remember talkin to someone on the phone who said they make some kind of thin rubber wedges that goes over the ride and hats to make them put out less sound??? Or maybe im just thinking about the cymbal sock idea someone mentioned earlier...

[AkristaK]

I recently ordered 2 TC Cymbals from Pintech(a 16" and 14"). Each cymbal was only 25 dollars and arrived at my doorstep in 2 days!! After some setting adjustments it was smotth sailings. I like these cymbals, they are very quiet and inexpensive. I have had no problem with false triggering or no triggering for that matter. Hey for 25 bucks each, I had to give them a shot.