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  • Speakers vs headphones/in-ears

    Hi,

    I started a topic the other day, asking if you guys use headphones or in ears. I thougt I might take this even a little further…

    For home use, if volume is no issue (family, neighbours,...) do you use/prefer:
    - headphones/in-ears;
    - speakers?

    Why?

    In case of speakers, what do you use, and why do you prefer that type of speakers? I'm talking about studio monitors vs drum monitors vs PA speakers. Single/double cabinet (2-way, like Mackie SRM 450, 3 way, like dB Technologies Flexsys F315,...), or 2.1 systems (2 satelites + a subwoofer).

    Please note, I'm talking about home use here!

    Do you get headphone-like sound quality out of your speakers?


    Stijn
    'lectric drumma
    Roland TD-20, Hart Dynamics 7.6, 2 x PD-7, extra PD-7 and Hart Snare laying around, Vic Firth Dave Weckl signature sticks, Axis A-longboards double pedal, Sony MDR-CD780 headphones and not enough inputs.

  • #2
    for me.. if i use speakers i only put the sound a bit above 'pad' noise level, i don't need the sound to 'cancel' the pad noise..
    in fact, i like the attack of the pads.. i do have to hear a good hh, ride, crash sound, but don't need super quality on speakers..
    on headphones it's different, then i like 'studio' quality drum sound .. and to hear the details/ character of the sounds better..
    ..it's different when you have to practice/ play with a band level noise ofcourse..

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    • #3
      I don't think you can get headphone-like quality out of your speakers - they don't work the same way. Which is why most audiophiles have both - the experience is very different.

      I prefer the experience of hearing music through loudspeakers, and if I was in a band without noise constraints I would choose speakers over headphones every time. I've practiced with a band using only headphones. It's not a bad way to go, but it IS a big PITA.
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      • #4
        I love in-ears, no more loud speakers on stage for me, the only speakers we use is FOH!!!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by gingerbaker View Post
          I don't think you can get headphone-like quality out of your speakers - they don't work the same way.
          Not even with studio monitors? Think e.g. Adam Audio A7X x 2 + Adam Audio Sub10...

          'lectric drumma
          Roland TD-20, Hart Dynamics 7.6, 2 x PD-7, extra PD-7 and Hart Snare laying around, Vic Firth Dave Weckl signature sticks, Axis A-longboards double pedal, Sony MDR-CD780 headphones and not enough inputs.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by 'lectric drumma View Post
            Not even with studio monitors? Think e.g. Adam Audio A7X x 2 + Adam Audio Sub10...
            Headphones don't move much air. They have no reflections off of walls, no interference of wave forms. You don't feel the woofer hitting you in the chest from air compression. Headphones are a wonderful experience, but very clinical sounding compared to live music or music coming speakers in a typical room. With real speakers you get reverb, echo, ambiance information caused by sound wave reflections that are completely absent from the headphone experience.

            So, if I am listening to music, I prefer real speakers.

            If we are talking about stage monitoring, that's a whole other kettle of fish. I have never had the opportunity to use in-ear stage monitors, but they make a huge amount of sense if you want to protect your hearing. And I bet they would be a lot easier to achieve the perfect mix that you want to hear, compared to wedges blaring back at you while a wall of guitar/keyboard amplifiers and PA speakers tear the fabric of space-time apart all around you. And man - think of how much less equipment you would have to lug!

            Have you used in-ear? What was it like? Because playing rock and roll on stage with in-ears has got to be less exciting than the real deal, right?
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            • #7
              I prefer headphones for adrums and edrums. It means I can set my levels and don’t go home deaf. At home speakers just don’t give me the immediacy of headphones and unless huge can’t get the scale of a drum kit.
              Roland TD30 module on TD20 kit SD3 with various kits. Pearl Masters Kit, Yamaha 9000RC original natural wood finish. Cymbals from Zildgian Pasite and Sabian. Loads of percussion bits. Cubase and Wavelab always current versions.

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              • #8
                No, I've never used in-ears on stage, just wedges a few times, many years ago. My current live set-up is the a-kit in our fanfare, and when we play a concert it's in a +/- 400 people theatre, but all acoustic, non-amplified.

                Just to be clear, I was not talking about stage monitoring, I was purely speaking about speakers vs headphones/in-ears for home use.
                'lectric drumma
                Roland TD-20, Hart Dynamics 7.6, 2 x PD-7, extra PD-7 and Hart Snare laying around, Vic Firth Dave Weckl signature sticks, Axis A-longboards double pedal, Sony MDR-CD780 headphones and not enough inputs.

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                • #9
                  What is a "fanfare"?
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                  • #10
                    A fanfare is a kind of marching band/brass band, with only horns (I hope that 's the correct term in English), saxophones and percussion. I think it's a typical Belgian/Dutch thing. The music played can be written specifically for fanfare, but it can also be film music, whether or not reworked for fanfare, or more popular music. A couple of examples:

                    Marching the streets, with typical march music:
                    - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WQIn6l5n0o
                    - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL0O7bkIdXk

                    A song for marching the streets, but at a concert: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxuAHtoSoZw, main difference, we sit , and I'm playing the full drumkit, what I obviously can't do while marching.

                    Concerts:
                    - Forgotten World: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVnmdaugpos
                    - The Chronicles of Narnia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dfjYe58ldE
                    - Flight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INJxhReqD2o
                    - T-Bones in Swing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9FbIytulCU (you can see/hear a clarinet in here, that's normally not in a fanfare obviously, because… wood)
                    - Atropos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdRfG6bHyeg
                    - Wall of Sound: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z6hNzze5Nw
                    - Welcome to the Jungle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glu3REctSVo
                    - Baker Street: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80tCg723B58
                    - Happy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfZJSrXMR_8
                    - Thriller: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mSZppAIIkk
                    - Casino Royale: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vON1Pk9jR70
                    - Pound the Streets: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yaukzPpma4

                    Hmm, I guess that 's more than a couple of examples…
                    'lectric drumma
                    Roland TD-20, Hart Dynamics 7.6, 2 x PD-7, extra PD-7 and Hart Snare laying around, Vic Firth Dave Weckl signature sticks, Axis A-longboards double pedal, Sony MDR-CD780 headphones and not enough inputs.

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                    • #11
                      Awesome! Such fun! Thanks for explaining.

                      I noticed on one of the marching ones, you had your cell phone attached to your snare, so you could make posts here at Vdrums. ;>D
                      Immensely powerful yet with a liquid cat-quick elegance

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                      • #12
                        No worries… Hopefully you liked the ones you 've seen .

                        Cell phone? No... in which one do you think I have a cell Phone attached?
                        'lectric drumma
                        Roland TD-20, Hart Dynamics 7.6, 2 x PD-7, extra PD-7 and Hart Snare laying around, Vic Firth Dave Weckl signature sticks, Axis A-longboards double pedal, Sony MDR-CD780 headphones and not enough inputs.

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                        • #13
                          That was supposed to be humor.

                          It looked like a card with music info.
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                          • #14
                            Oh, that one… that is indeed the sheet music - for as far as I need it for those marches
                            https://www.thomann.de/be/star_14525_notenmappe.htm
                            'lectric drumma
                            Roland TD-20, Hart Dynamics 7.6, 2 x PD-7, extra PD-7 and Hart Snare laying around, Vic Firth Dave Weckl signature sticks, Axis A-longboards double pedal, Sony MDR-CD780 headphones and not enough inputs.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by 'lectric drumma View Post
                              Oh, that one… that is indeed the sheet music - for as far as I need it for those marches
                              https://www.thomann.de/be/star_14525_notenmappe.htm
                              In that one, you seem to be the only snare player actually playing? ( What was the other fellow doing?) If so, I suppose you could play what you wanted, with only the prospect of the dreaded whistle-blower to chastise you. Now there is good gig - all you have to do is blow that darn whistle, act like you are in charge, and absorb the admiration of the crowd.
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