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  • #46
    Originally posted by Antonalog View Post
    hehe thank guys. Yeah I think I'm finally starting to see the justification for the higher end kits, I don't have any of those settings at all.
    It's certainly dangerous down here... and costly.

    Best of luck.
    E-kit: TD50KV with KD A22, SPD-SX, BT-1, Acoustic: DW Custom, Maple Mahogany, Zildjian K Customs, Sweet and Darks, Pork Pie Thrones, Tama Speed Cobras and DW HW, Zildjian sticks. Midas 32C, MD421, EV ND46, ND96, SM57, SM81. Past kits include Roland TD9 Mesh and TD30K.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Howstamychi View Post

      I don't believe I said set the volume output level to 90 but the Midi cc value. If they are the same forgive me, but I think midi cc value as it relates to the high hat is the range of articulation from open to close not the volume. Otherwise I should have said High Note # border. Obviously setting a dynamic range your trigger doesn't support will result in improper functioning. My VH-11 is set to open and close smoothly within a range where the High Note Border # is 90, I believe those extra levels of midi are reserved for the tighter articulations when your foot is depressed on a VH-12 or 13 to get the higher pitched sounds. I'm pretty sure you're high hat doesn't support that feature. My VH-11 doesn't.

      For example, when I set my trigger input on the TD-50 for VH-11 immediately it sets the High Note Border # to 90 automatically. When I use a VH-12 and calibrate it, it immediately defaults to # 127. Best case scenario find the default setting for your high hat in your module and it will set it for you. Also when I calibrate my VH-11 in SD3 it immediately sets the max level at 90. VH-12, 127. I think 90 was always the max High Note Border # for the High Hat until the VH-12 came along but I could be wrong. Sorry if I misused the proper terminology. I am definitely not saying to set the volume of the high hat to 90, make it as loud as you want.
      OK, let's say it is the number of MIDI steps. But what actually happens if you set a H-H that defaults to 90 to a setting of 127? Does it actually result in a loss of dynamic range or a loss of volume, or is it ignored, or does it "re-map" the increments? I have no idea.

      And - is all this sort of irrelevant to the concept of how to get one's H-H to give you the output volume you want, or is it important, or is it helpful but sort of minor? I remember going through my TD-10 settings and noticing that many pads were not set to a max output of 127. I seem to recall through the mists of time, that when I reset them to 127, the output got louder - recovering some hidden volume in the module. I am pretty sure this was simply output volume, as I have never - as far as I know - gotten involved in MIDI at all.And, as far as I can tell, I have no malfunctioning pads or voices. I do not even have hot spots.

      Maybe I am being egotistical - heck, I am often egotistical (!), but I believe I have some understanding on how to get more out of my Roland kit as far as playability and, to some extent, sound quality of voices than some.

      But this was a LONG time ago, and my memory is definitely suspect! Plus, I know very little about MIDI, because I just use the module as is, with tweaking. For playing simple rock drums without triggering other sophisticated sounds in clubs it was enough.
      Last edited by gingerbaker; 02-13-19, 05:15 PM.
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      • #48
        Originally posted by Antonalog View Post
        hehe thank guys. Yeah I think I'm finally starting to see the justification for the higher end kits, I don't have any of those settings at all.
        You don't have trigger settings or volume sliders on your module?
        Immensely powerful yet with a liquid cat-quick elegance

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        • #49
          Originally posted by gingerbaker View Post

          OK, let's say it is the number of MIDI steps. But what actually happens if you set a H-H that defaults to 90 to a setting of 127? Does it actually result in a loss of dynamic range or a loss of volume, or is it ignored, or does it "re-map" the increments? I have no idea.

          And - is all this sort of irrelevant to the concept of how to get one's H-H to give you the output volume you want, or is it important, or is it helpful but sort of minor? I remember going through my TD-10 settings and noticing that many pads were not set to a max output of 127. I seem to recall through the mists of time, that when I reset them to 127, the output got louder - recovering some hidden volume in the module. I am pretty sure this was simply output volume, as I have never - as far as I know - gotten involved in MIDI at all.And, as far as I can tell, I have no malfunctioning pads or voices. I do not even have hot spots..
          You may be correct about output of volume, I'm still referring to the High Hat's optimized sequencing from open to closed, the best foot pedal chicks and splashes, and the stick striking edge and rim sounding cohesive and god forbid realistic. That is midi data I want the manufacturer to take responsibility for, just tell me how to set it in the manual or better yet let the module do it.

          The High Hat note # border on lower end High Hats is generally 90 by default.

          I am not against experimenting quite the contrary. The high hat baffles me though and I have yet to find a truly satisfying response from the VH-11 or 12, the best I got was between VEX Studio X sounds and the VH-11. Now it seems my VH-11 isn't working properly so I am really fed up and going for an ATV ADH-14, I don't know where else to go.

          Originally posted by gingerbaker View Post
          I believe I have some understanding on how to get more out of my Roland kit as far as playability and, to some extent, sound quality of voices than some.
          I believe you do too since between you and grog I have eliminated the hot spots on my PDX-100 and PD-128 bc pads. Thank you.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by gingerbaker View Post

            You don't have trigger settings or volume sliders on your module?
            Nope, just "sensitivity" + or -, no numeric value! Pretty hard to tell if it makes any difference at all.

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            • #51
              I don't really mind, but maybe this subject of MIDI values and HH adjustment deserves a separate technical topic... Just to keep the consistency and make it easeier to find, since you've given some useful advice there
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              • #52
                Originally posted by Antonalog View Post

                Nope, just "sensitivity" + or -, no numeric value! Pretty hard to tell if it makes any difference at all.
                Ouch. I am sorry, but I am pretty clue-less about the modules that have come out since the TD-10. I am amazed that there is no way to know if your hits are registering at full value, because that is so crucial to tuning your trigger settings. What module do you have? Perhaps I could take a look at the manual and at least offer some commiseration.
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