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  • TD-25 just purchased initial thoughts.

    My DDrum module let me down twice in 2 shows so time to get something newer, more reliable. Demoed TD-25 and they appeared to be ok. Never liked Roland stuff and own a Yamaha DTX Treme kit but find DDrum triggers and sounds better thus using it for last 5 years. Hoping the new TD-25 is as good as DDrum sound and triggering. I like the TD's interface and triggering and sounds seem ok but did not try live. Actually the entire kit is still in the store, as I am dragging my heels due t the price and hope not to have buyers regret. Is the 2 box better? Hard to get in Canada so I decided to give Roland a try. Never impressed with Roland or Yamaha's triggering and dynamics, but the TD-25 appears better than former offerings. The triggering and sounds of the TD-25 appear good and I get the impression they have improved in triggering and sound capabilities / quality. I am not into a lot of sounds, just a good working and sounding snare live that doesn't tire the ears with layered crap on top of the sample that Roland used in prior modules. They appear to have improved and I was pleased with what I was hearing from the unit. Any comments appreciated. Tired with screwing around with electric drums and just want something that works good out of the box I can gig with. Anyone using a TD-25 live that has transitioned from DDrum or 2 box? Thanks.

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    I think you'll see if you search a little--if you haven't already-- that the consensus from people who have the TD25 is the sounds are a significant upgrade from the previous offerings other than the TD30, including the most recent mid-range kit, the TD15. The limitations are also well documented on the site.



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    • #3
      This information is very interesting. Anyone have any comments about a expressions product vs Computer driven sample software? Thanks!

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      • #4
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Drumsonly2002
          This information is very interesting. Anyone have any comments about a expressions product vs Computer driven sample software? Thanks!
          Yes, it's an apples and oranges comparison lol.

          V-expressions makes the best out of the drum module's native sound pool.
          VSTi uses brute-force power combined with massive sample libraries.

          Bring a fast laptop with you and you might* be able to gig live with a VSTi running. In the interest of this comparison though, I need to mention that it's a money sinkhole and even with expert setup, you can never have absolute reliability with a stressed computer in the works.

          *audio interface recommended.

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          • #6
            I had a ddrum4 kit for years which my son has at home now. I bought it in preference to a TD10 at the time. Two years ago I bought a second hand TD20. Mainly because I liked the pads and the triggering matched the ddrum4 + much more trigger inputs which really mattered to me. I found the sounds on the TD20 limiting and used VSTi;s (SD2) for recording. I probably would not have liked to use the TD20 live. I managed to get hold of a TDW20 expansion and this took the TD20 to a level I would use it live but only after heavy tweaking. VSTi's are still better than the TD25 or TD30 sounds but I now have a TD30 ( I think the same sounds as TD25) and with a bit of tweaking I would be totally happy to play live and unless I am recording I always use the internal sounds. Triggering from the TD20 onwards equals the ddrum4 if not better and loads more options and inputs. My lad is lucky as he has the ddrum4 at home and my expanded TD20 at my house.
            Roland TD50x with part td20 rack and pads. SD3 with various kits. Pearl Masters Kit, Yamaha 9000RC original natural wood finish. Cymbals from Zildgian Pasite and Sabian. Loads of percussion bits. Cubase and Wavelab always current versions. RME Babyface pro fs audio interface

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Drumsonly2002
              This information is very interesting. Anyone have any comments about a expressions product vs Computer driven sample software? Thanks!

              You can use the TD25 as a sound card,so you just need a laptop and the TD25 plus USB cable. If the laptop crashes,you can just go back to the TD25 sounds live. I think you would be fine the the TD25 sounds . The laptop would work too. I would put a solid state drive in it. I had a group have their laptops for their whole set of backing tracks and samples crash from subs vibrating the hard drive. I rented them my TD20 kit at the time .

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              • #8
                Checking out the VST sample triggered via computer. Sounds are stellar. Is it correct to assume those samples can be loaded into the 2box unit? Be great to have the best of both worlds. In my research, apparently a Muse Receptor unit will do the VST but looks compacted plus worried about latency live. My big thing is realism live. Use real cymbals live BTW. Appreciate your responses. Right now have 3 ddrum modules, (broke), Yamaha DTXtreme2 but never used it live, dynamics and triggering are not as good as ddrum. Was impressed with TD 25, but you get me thinking VST d'oh!

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                • #9
                  You can load VST sounds in the 2box but I believe you have to premix each drum. If you use the laptop,you can adjust all the room mics and reverb on snare plus compression and EQ.

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                  • #10
                    To load sounds in the 2Box it seems you need to carefully record each and every layer of each drum element from your vsti (or any source) and then carefully map the individual sounds to each kit's element program, so it certainly isn't a fast nor easy nor fun or even simple process, although it's good once you're done. On the other hand, Toontrack's entry level line of products, EZdrummer, is affordable, offers many of the best sounding vsti kits, requiring little cpu and ram resources to play drums from a computer.

                    But if

                    My big thing is realism live.
                    Then why the hell would you not simply play acoustic drums? I assume in a gig you don't have to worry about the loud noise of acoustic drums, so why oh why bother with electronic drums and pretend "my big thing is realism live"? I don't get it, sorry I just have to ask

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by happy_dude
                      To load sounds in the 2Box it seems you need to carefully record each and every layer of each drum element from your vsti (or any source) and then carefully map the individual sounds to each kit's element program, so it certainly isn't a fast nor easy nor fun or even simple process, although it's good once you're done. On the other hand, Toontrack's entry level line of products, EZdrummer, is affordable, offers many of the best sounding vsti kits, requiring little cpu and ram resources to play drums from a computer.
                      While it was a pretty involved process the first year or two when I was pioneering building sounds from VSTs to load to the 2Box module, that is not the case now. With the program SDSE it takes a couple mouse clicks to do an entire kit from a VST program. http://lustark.com/sdse I was actually one of the first two people that started building VST sounds for the 2Box module, so I am quite familiar with the steps. Lustark contacted me when he first started automating the process and he continues to add features and improvements. I haven't gone through those tedious steps for years, since the program released.
                      Last edited by JmanWord; 10-22-15, 01:21 PM.
                      I could tell you where to stick that piezo! ;)
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                      • #12
                        Good to know, thanks for the info

                        But still, reading from the thread if it's possible to just load the vstis sounds into the 2Box module, it's maybe worth to show it's not so simple at all. Then this situation where you have to buy a third party software to make use of the software you just bought to make use of the hardware you just bought after selling the older hardware you have bought to replace the older hardware you had bought to replace the broken hardware you had acquired to achieve the realism point in the first place, is a stinky situation imho... especially when everyone or nearly so has a 2Ghz laptop at home already to write mails and watch silly cats on youtube, maybe it's easier to use simply this and a cable? Most laptops these days don't breakdown like Win98 tower PCs used to bluescreen...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by happy_dude
                          Good to know, thanks for the info

                          But still, reading from the thread if it's possible to just load the vstis sounds into the 2Box module, it's maybe worth to show it's not so simple at all. Then this situation where you have to buy a third party software to make use of the software you just bought to make use of the hardware you just bought after selling the older hardware you have bought to replace the older hardware you had bought to replace the broken hardware you had acquired to achieve the realism point in the first place, is a stinky situation imho... especially when everyone or nearly so has a 2Ghz laptop at home already to write mails and watch silly cats on youtube, maybe it's easier to use simply this and a cable? Most laptops these days don't breakdown like Win98 tower PCs used to bluescreen...
                          Well, the sounds already in the module are real sampled drums, plus there are another double the amount of what's in the module available for free download. Open Sound Source means you can load sounds ....... like other modules you can still trigger VST samples via the computer with the 2Box module. I honestly don't care what people choose. But since I have a pretty extensive background in Edrums I occasionally throw in opinions. Many times people's opinions on the net are from people that haven't actually owned or tried the products.
                          I could tell you where to stick that piezo! ;)
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                          • #14
                            It's Obama's fault and everyone knows it!
                            "It makes sense if you dont think about it"

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                            • #15
                              I understand your point of view and I think you're right about the 2Box module, it certainly is a very good alternative to other modules and I might very well try it myself on the smaller module they're suppose to sell soon. And I know JmanWord it's compatible with other kits with the help of your adapters so it's maybe the solution to this problem.

                              So I didn't realizee the thread was TD-25 vs 2Box, I was more on trying to bring Drumsonly2002 to clarify for himself what it is he wants to achieve and why and how before he jumps and decides for the more complex and expensive solution.

                              Roland offer its drum synth, it's a flavor, it cannot surpass the samples but it plays very well. 2 Box offer samples in an open system, but maybe the best samples out there are in the VSTis, so that your laptop can beat the 2Box argument on sounds, when it cannot bring you the Roland drum synth, which in turn you might as well get bored with in time, so... One thing might help you, Roland users are complaining a lot, 2Box users seem more content with their edrums, maybe it's a criteria to consider.

                              What about a second hand safer DDrum module and a VSTI on a laptop? You could save the buyers regrets almost entirely for another time.

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