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    Anybody can help me pick up what is played on the snare in this track? Check the Drum only track from below link.

    http://www.karaoke-version.com/drums...nt/marina.html

    Thanks,
    Adrian
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  • #2
    Hi adi,

    that's hard to hear (that's probably why you ask ; -)
    What's your best guess?

    Did you try searching for play-along notes? About 9 months ago I described a few ways to do it, with some midi in mind.

    If the sample was downloadable (e.g. by one of these downloaders) then you could load it into Sonic Visualizer http://www.sonicvisualiser.org/ . There is some pane, where you can mark the beat in a first go. In a second go you may compare sound and graphics, to learn, which line represents which pad in the frequency vs. time domain (note: there are many artefacts, like overtones, glitches etc.). In a third go you may be able to track the snare with less errors. With the tap markes you can literally see the notes in time ; -) (That's a brute force method, which works many times. E.g. when practicing "Die perfekte Welle" (Juli) for a band, I recognized, that Juli's voice from Eva followed a very strange pattern, not matched by the bands singer ...)


    Best, Michael

    P.S.: the plugins they offer don't seem to do too good. better spend your time as I described.
    Last edited by MS-SPO; 06-29-16, 01:10 PM.
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    • #3
      Hi Michael,

      Thanks for the feedback. I actually bought this song together with many other, and I have the drums part alone in an mp3 file.

      Playing along with many of these songs, without any big issue. Just this one seems I cannot "debug" I tried to lower the tempo on the drums only track, and still no luck. I will try to Sonic Visualizer as well.

      Adrian

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      • #4
        Hi Adrian,

        fine + good luck. Sometimes you can do less and just follow the Sonic Visualizer while letting it play the song. What I described is for tough ones.

        BTW, applying a frequency filter may help too. E.g. I have a Dolby-App on my Notebook. But the VLC media player will do as fine, or your DAW.

        Michael
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        • #5
          Jut wondering, did you use any plugins for beat tracking?
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          • #6
            Not really. I tried some plugins, and either couldn't get them running, or results were below my expectations. How good the beat tracker is, I can't say.
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            • #7
              Hi Adrian,

              some comments.

              I downloaded the sample from http://www.karaoke-version.de/preview/296553/ (this was "shown" in the pages source code), loaded it into Sonic Visualizer, opened a melodic spectrum pane and added a new region layer.

              The snare hits are the blue and purple spots in the middle. I slowed down as much as possible without a crash and listened, to have an idea, where the beat is. I marked one early beat between time-indicator "4" and "7" as the light blue horizontal region marker.

              Next I tried to locate 1, 2, 3 and 4 by ear. In the screenshot I noted them below in yellow (it's not exact in time, but that's ok: perhaps the drummer jitters a little, or the program has it's pecularities).

              image_28736.png


              Then, after a new listening I locate the snare at 1+, 3+ and 4, the 3 purple dots. That's it for this bar. Whether or not the tiny spots in between are ghost notes or artifacts you need to listen and evaluate: I think here they are just artefacts.

              In other bars it seems to be different, as the player seems to add some ghost notes within the 1+ 3+ 4 pattern. I can hear it, and the spots are more purple.

              So, once you know how 1 bar looks like, and how the snare pattern appears, you can find similar and deviating bars along the play. At least you now have a more trained ear and eye ; -)

              Hope this helps ; -)

              Best, Michael

              P.S.: I'm afraid, I'm too dumb to repeat including a photo ... it's different all the time, and won't appear in-text always.
              Last edited by MS-SPO; 06-30-16, 03:11 AM.
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              • #8
                One more remark: sounds like a Latin rhythm, which I know as 2-bar rhythms. But there may be more variants out there. Perhaps somebody recognizes a "well-known" drum pattern ?
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                • #9
                  Hi adi.I had a go at this today. Quite fun, and quite hard to get even foot timing.

                  I've done a short video to try and break it down. Second part of the video is with the click at 105bpm, same tempo as the track you linked.
                  Basically, you want to keep a foot ostinato going with kick and hi-hat, in typical samba style.

                  The hands you can play single 1/16th strokes (RLRLRL, etc) and you need to accent a few hits with the left hand (if you're right handed, or with the right hand if you're left handed).

                  One of the accents on the original karaoke sample randomly changes to give variation. I stop and start to show these variations. I also did my own variation on the open/close hi-hat slice. Hope this helps.
                   
                  Last edited by Merlin5; 07-05-16, 02:33 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Merlin5 View Post
                    Hi adi.I had a go at this today. Quite fun, and quite hard to get even foot timing.

                    I've done a short video to try and break it down. Second part of the video is with the click at 105bpm, same tempo as the track you linked.
                    Basically, you want to keep a foot ostinato going with kick and hi-hat, in typical samba style.

                    The hands you can play single 1/16th strokes (RLRLRL, etc) and you need to accent a few hits with the left hand (if you're right handed, or with the right hand if you're left handed).

                    One of the accents on the original karaoke sample randomly changes to give variation. I stop and start to show these variations. I also did my own variation on the open/close hi-hat slice. Hope this helps.

                    Merlin5, this is unexpected help Thanks for this, it really helps.

                    I am wondering why for some of us is easier to see with the eyes than to listen with the ears



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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by adi View Post


                      Merlin5, this is unexpected help Thanks for this, it really helps.

                      I am wondering why for some of us is easier to see with the eyes than to listen with the ears


                      No problem adi, glad it helps!

                      I'm the same, I often need to see what's happening with the hands before it all makes sense. But eventually, as you increase your drumming 'vocabulary' so to speak and watch enough videos, you'll be amazed at how your ears alone will show you the way. It's a bit like, for an example, not having to lip read what someone says, you can just hear their words and understand what is being said.

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                      • #12
                        I agree: two different perspectives on the same thing, and a third, if you also count your mind ; -)

                        Like Merlin5 shows, once you get the basic idea of a rhythm, and try to sort it in time, in hands etc. it becomes quite natural to play. And sometimes there are more than one ways to play it ; -)

                        Best, Michael
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by adi View Post
                          Anybody can help me pick up what is played on the snare in this track? Check the Drum only track from below link.

                          http://www.karaoke-version.com/drums...nt/marina.html

                          Thanks,
                          Adrian
                          Great beat! I used to play with a Brazilian band and they did that type of thing on almost every song. Great help from Merlin 5 [is that a TD9 snare?] ! I think you would find a lot of those Samba beats in a book about Brazilian rhythms for drumset. I found this "drum lessons girl" on youtube that is a monster Samba player and breaks it down: https://youtu.be/vwwFIg0WTvw

                          Edit: Here is amazing book: https://www.amazon.com/Brazilian-Rhy.../dp/0769209874

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                          • #14
                            Thanks, so in the end the Marina beat is a Samba beat!
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                            • #15
                              Peter Warren, it's not the TD9 snare; I'm triggering EZ Drummer 2

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