Program Change Help!

[daebado]

So, I've never fully understood program change messages within the modules. I have a TDW20 and just acquired a 2Box module to go along with it. I want to be able to send program change messages from the TD20 to the 2Box so that when I change kits on the TD20, a kit change will happen on the 2Box. Anyone know how to do this?

The 2Box replaces my old TD10 (for sale, btw!). When the TD10 was hooked up, I could just use the chain function on both modules and control them both with a footswitch. Unfortunately, the 2Box doesn't have this option.

Any help??

Thanks,

Mark

[Tommy_D]

I do not believe this is possible. You cant even do this with two Roland modules. The chain/footswitch option was your only hope.

[daebado]

So what does "Program Change" do then? I thought this was its purpose. As I said, I've never really understood it and the manual really doesn't go into what you can do with it... only that it program change messages can be sent. What are these program change messages and what do they do?

[fulrmr(Daniel)]

I've only ever done this with my rack gear via a MIDI footswitch..never my modules. Guess I need to find my MIDI controller and check this out.

[JmanWord]

Both the 2Box module and the TD-20 can send and receive Program Change via MIDI. I don't have a TD-20, but I do have 2 2Box modules. I turned Prog. Chng On for both modules. connected a MIDI cable out from one in to the other. Set the Program Change channel to the same number on both modules. I turn the dial up and change kits on one, the other changes too. I'm pretty sure this will work with the TD-20/2Box also.

[daebado]

Both the 2Box module and the TD-20 can send and receive Program Change via MIDI. I don't have a TD-20, but I do have 2 2Box modules. I turned Prog. Chng On for both modules. connected a MIDI cable out from one in to the other. Set the Program Change channel to the same number on both modules. I turn the dial up and change kits on one, the other changes too. I'm pretty sure this will work with the TD-20/2Box also.

Very interesting!

So, I wonder if there is a way to set the program change message on a per kit basis. I wouldn't necessarily want both modules to always change kits just because I changed one.

M

[BarT]

I wouldn't necessarily want both modules to always change kits just because I changed one.

You said you did:

I want to be able to send program change messages from the TD20 to the 2Box so that when I change kits on the TD20, a kit change will happen on the 2Box. Anyone know how to do this?

[fulrmr(Daniel)]

Very interesting!

So, I wonder if there is a way to set the program change message on a per kit basis. I wouldn't necessarily want both modules to always change kits just because I changed one.

M

You would probly have to have a "duplicate kit" in that module with a different MIDI # so that when you make the change that you desired for one module...that kit would remain the same(or keep the same settings as it had anyway) while the other kit changed. Both modules would still "roll over" to the new #...but you would keep the desired configuration of the one module.

[daebado]

You would probly have to have a "duplicate kit" in that module with a different MIDI # so that when you make the change that you desired for one module...that kit would remain the same(or keep the same settings as it had anyway) while the other kit changed. Both modules would still "roll over" to the new #...but you would keep the desired configuration of the one module.

Yeah, my mind was already going there. Not sure if it will ultimately get me what I want but I'm sure going to look into it!

Thanks, Dan.


Mark

[Intruder]

Found this not sure if it helps.

[BarT]

Ok, so to elaborate, I want to send a kit change message every time I change sets on the TD20 but I don't necessarily want it to change the kit on the 2Box every time. So, maybe kit 1 on the TD20 sends a message to change the 2Box to kit 20; kit 2 on the TD20 sends a message to change the 2Box to kit 53 but when I change to kit 3 on the TD20, I may want to go back to kit 20 on the 2Box again (or some other pre-determined kit depending on what my needs are). I was able to accomplish this with the chain feature on the TD20 and TD10 using one common foot switch. Just trying to figure out if there is a way to do it with the 2Box.

On a TD-20 you can set the actual number to be transmitted when you switch to each kit at SETUP, MIDI, PROG, DRM KIT (Page 76).

So for your examples you could set kits 1, 2, 3 on the left side of that screen to send Program Change numbers 20, 53, 20 on the right.

(PC numbers are also used for reception; so only connect TD-20 MIDI Out to 2Box MIDI In, or set RX OFF with SETUP, F1, F4, F1.)

Thanks for that, Intruder. I've seen that info on different sites as well; MIDI CC# 0 = Bank Select. It says it "allows user to switch bank for patch selection. Program change used with Bank Select. MIDI can access 16,384 patches per MIDI channel." It just doesn't say how! If I set CC to zero (or set the modules program change to "on"), what then?
With the ability to access 16,384 patches, I would think that would allow for some real flexibility. Just can't figure out quite how to tap into the method to utilize it!
I'm not giving up on this yet!

A TD-20 only uses CC#0/32 Bank Select for the sequencer backing part (bottom right of Page 99).


Bruce

[daebado]

Thanks Bruce, I'll look into that. If I can get this working, I'll owe you a cold one!


Mark

[daebado]

On a TD-20 you can set the actual number to be transmitted when you switch to each kit at SETUP, MIDI, PROG, DRM KIT (Page 76).

So for your examples you could set kits 1, 2, 3 on the left side of that screen to send Program Change numbers 20, 53, 20 on the right.

Bruce

So close!!!! I was able to get the kits to change on both modules by just changing kits on the TD20 (something I was never able to do with the TD10 for some reason) but there is a problem. Each kit in the TD20 must have a unique Program Change number assigned to it. It won't let me assign the same number to two different kits. That seems kinda crazy to me, but if there is a way, I sure couldn't find it.

It looks like the only way to make this work would be to make a kit list on the 2Box that matches one for one the kits I want to use with each TD20 kit. Not ideal, for sure. Do-able, yes. A PITA... definitely!! Especially since I really only want to go back and forth between 4 or 5 kits on the 2Box (high snare/high toms; low snare/high toms; high snare/low toms; low snare/low toms and maybe one ballad kit with a lot of reverb which, btw is one of the few shortcomings of the 2Box kit... no internal reverb!!)

Am I missing something (again!)? I hope so.


Thanks,

Mark

[fulrmr(Daniel)]

I wouldn't consider that a shortcoming.. Most folks have plenty of rev options on their console or rack. Besides...all the VSTs offer much nicer rev options than any of the modules out there....just build a nice ballad kit.

[daebado]

I wouldn't consider that a shortcoming.. Most folks have plenty of rev options on their console or rack. Besides...all the VSTs offer much nicer rev options than any of the modules out there....just build a nice ballad kit.

Ahh yes... once I get VST software. Would be nice to have a little reverb at my disposal in the meantime!