Musikmesse 2014 Rumors?

[jpsquared482]

Musikmesse 2014 is less than a week away (March 12-15). Surely we need a thread to discuss upcoming new products and releases. Anyone have a line on what might be showing up???

[campster]

Sampling on the TD30 module??? hahaha - i wish! that ain't gonna happen

[jpsquared482]

OK if not that then maybe a new big brother to the Yamaha DTX502 with sampling? Even better a 2box Drummit6 with more memory and an upgraded interface?? We can dream, but we do know these things will come eventually, which is good.

For now I'm loving the TD-30 with VEX and SSD4Platinum. It's a matter of perspective. These are the things we wished for 5 years ago, so life is good.

[jimorlando]

If I pull the pin and buy the TD-30KV they will probably introduce a TD-40KV. I am afraid I do not know what sampling is. I will have to do some research.

[jpsquared482]

In this context, sampling means the ability to load "sampled" audio files of real drums into a module, rather than being "stuck" with the stock sounds and editing them. Sampling gives you ultimate control over the sound. Take a look at the 2box Drummit5 which is the best solution for this approach currently. In the case of VST's you load the sounds into software that is run by your DAW (digital audio workstation, such as ProTools or GarageBand) and trigger the computer via USB MIDI. The VST solution works great but is more cumbersome than the the module solution.

[Tommy_D]

I think at the very least they should offer a free software update for the TD-30 that allows full editing of the Bank A snare sounds. Additionally they should allow 1000 songs to be loaded on the USB stick for playback, or even better would be folders. Also a scrolling display for a kit name or song name on USB playback. That would be nice. With the exception of the Bank A snare sounds, these are simple software updates. The Bank A snare editing shoukd have been in the module the day it was launched , and here we are 2 years later without a peep about fixing it.

[Chris K]

It might not be at Musikmeese 2014, I am pretty sure Yamaha is working on this already unit similar to 2box more advanced, they already got the sampling and importing wav function on their module for a while. Also the hybrid drum gear stuff, unit\module similar to Spd-s from Roland.


Alesis will show new product, not sure if it is drum related tough, but there is new.

[flurbs]

Mesh head Alesis DM10 kits on the horizon apparently...

[allanjohn]

It's confirmed: http://digitaldrummermag.com/NEWS.html

[Chris K]

News Added at Alesis , Dm Mesh kit and new Headphones
ALESIS NTRODUCES DM10 STUDIO KIT MESH AND DM10X KIT MESH

http://www.alesis.com/tradeshows/messe2014/alesis.html

[hemiboy]

Roland has to have something up their sleeve. If they weren't worried about the competition I don't think they would have fought 2 box coming into the us and the whole mesh head thing. If Yamaha comes out with a 2 box like module and 2 box keeps improving Roland has to answer. I know they are huge with a lot of money behind them, but they will ultimately have to get off the dime, no? Where is Alesis made, here! If not, how do they get away with the mesh head thing, unless roland makes their mesh, although they look like Pintechs almost

[allanjohn]

Alesis is made by Medeli, a Hong Kong company, so it's made in China.

[jpsquared482]

I agree. It is peculiar that Alesis is going to be selling mesh drum pads in the US. That means they either have a license from Roland or maybe a sublicense from Pintech (assuming Pintech has those rights to give, which I doubt, but who knows). If Alesis did recently license mesh head drum pads from Roland, that means Roland is now trying to reach a broader market. That could be because DIY kits have become so popular, OR, as Hemiboy suggests, maybe Roland has something new up their sleeves, like licensing FSR technology from Aquarian. That seems like a smart market play by both Roland and Aquarian. If Roland got the combination of FSR and rimshot capability, it takes the lead over mesh/piezos. Time will tell. . .

Also, did you notice on the Alesis site that it says:
4 points of sensitivity on each drum head for superior response
I posted that idea on this forum about a year ago and proposed a means of using that for positional sensing while ablating the hot spot issue. I wonder if they've applied that thinking?

[allanjohn]

maybe Roland has something new up their sleeves, like licensing FSR technology from Aquarian. That seems like a smart market play by both Roland and Aquarian. If Roland got the combination of FSR and rimshot capability, it takes the lead over mesh/piezos. Time will tell. . .

I doubt that very much since Roland is aligned to Remo and Aquarian to KAT Percussion.
It's not impossible that Alesis has a licence from Roland - as Hart and Pintech did.

[hemiboy]

So then Medeli makes their own mesh heads?

[allanjohn]

@hemiboy - not necessarily, they could buy them in from an OEM supplier in China

[Chris K]

The mesh will be not available on the US and Japan , From dmdrummer.com and David Gill Alesis employee.

[allanjohn]

The mesh will be not available on the US and Japan , From dmdrummer.com and David Gill Alesis employee.

Interesting because the media release says: The DM10 Studio Kit Mesh and DM10 X Kit Mesh will be available Summer 2014, distributed worldwide with the following anticipated MSRPs ...

[jpsquared482]

I agree with Allan's comment. When I read that I concluded that Alesis must have a license from Roland to sell in the US, otherwise they're infringing on the patent, just like others had experienced. As a Pintech drum owner, all their heads say "Under license from Roland Corp". Hart, from what I gather was infringing, but fought it out with Roland and argued they had "prior art", meaning they were using the technology prior to Roland's patent filing date. Others have had to take a different tact: sell the pads with non-mesh heads and offer the heads as a separate product. Roland's patent is on the device as a whole: drum, sensor and head in combination. It remains interesting to see if Alesis will sell the combination product in the US and Japan. If not, no license.

[Chris K]

yes but it have been clarified from Alesis, If you go to Official Alesis forum, you will see:
David Gill (Employee) 1 day ago
These will not be available in the USA and Japan.

http://community.alesis.com/alesis/t...e_in_the_u_s_a

[Tommy_D]

Well, if Alesis uses a reflection plate design, isnt that a different design from the patented Roland device? I would say so. If the patent is on the entire device and not just the mesh. Head, I would think Alesis could distribute it in the US without patent infringement.