TD11 for school?

[markfireprime]

HI all I just chasing a new kit for the school I teach at but i'm unsure what to get... I love my TD 30 especially with vex kits and I was considering A td 11 as the 15 is a little to pricey. So will a TD11 be tough enough? And will it be good enough for performances? It took the kids here 5 years to completely kill the DTx ( which I always hated ).. any thoughts would be great

[Kabonfaiba]

If you're looking for durability. I would start with the TD-11KV as you get CY-13R and CY-12C cymbals which will last much longer than the average CY-8 will.

TD-11 is also the cheapest module with the Supernatural tech, which is particularly important as snare rolls are the first and only thing I think most pupils tend to do when they first sit at a drum kit i.e. better if it doesn't sound like a headache-inducing machine-gun every morning.

If not a new TD-11KV, a used TD9KX for around the same price could give you better pads at the compromise of the Supernatural tech, the mesh heads will be replaceable also. You'll want to VEX them anyway to get decent sounds out of any Roland module of course.

[hairmetal-81]

I'm all in favor of a second-hand TD9KX(2) - or any TD9-based kit you can manage to dig up!


What made you hate the DTX?
Was it equipped with silicone pads already?


Curious....

[markfireprime]

I started my Vdrum life with yammaha but once i moved to Roland there was no looking back. feel/sound/look you name it. The dtx rubber pads are ..."YUK" and you just cant get the kids to play well on them. they dont translate to a real kit at all.. Mess heads while not perfect are better. ( to me anyway) the yammaha Rack was'nt so great .The kick trigger died real fast ,the plastic input sockets on the brain rattled of the motherboard ( only held on by the solder"really on a drums kit??? ) what else do you want me to say. Yammaha and kids don't mix. Having said all that,I'm not sure how a Roland kit will handle public school life. But it cant be any worse.
Just on a note... While I do get kids on rudiments from day 1 it is not my focus for first year players.. So no it is'nt all snare drum. I want these kids to play and love it, so we learn sight reading and beats real fast. then when they are hooked I push the rudiments big time because I can sit at the kit and play stuff.. when they kids say " I wanna play like that" i can say" best practice these rolls then" and they mostly do. I've found if I do it the other way round kids just wont work as hard as if they are playing to their Fav song.... Also hiding paradidles and other rolls inside rock beats works well. They are doing what I want and they don't even know it

[hairmetal-81]

I see...

Agreed on that the Yamaha isn't so great, mostly due to the plastic clamps, and the 'near-tear-the-rack-apart'-experience, when you want to change clamps. ...but just to be accurate, that isn't much different with Roland's entry-level racks!

Your tactics are a good one! ...I might have practiced more rudiments, if I had been lured in like that!

Try and see if you can test-drive Yamaha's silicone pads. We're talking a BIG improvement over pure rubber, here! I didn't know about the 'input-sockets/solder/motherboard' issue. Interesting to hear this - but now, I *am* eager to know *which* model of all the different DTX modules that was in particular...



HTH

[dusty605]

Hi, don't know if my input is a bit late here but I have a td11kv and I love it. Granted I've not played on much else but it ticks all the boxes for me. It lives in the back of my transit van with power to it so I just climb in my van for practicing. Even with all the lumps and bumps of the road surfaces here in the UK it hasn't caused any damage whatsoever. Nothing moves on the rack, so in my book that's pretty hard wearing. With the vex kits aswell you get some really good sounds from it.

[gradier]

If you're looking for durability. I would start with the TD-11KV as you get CY-13R and CY-12C cymbals which will last much longer than the average CY-8 will.

TD-11 is also the cheapest module with the Supernatural tech, which is particularly important as snare rolls are the first and only thing I think most pupils tend to do when they first sit at a drum kit i.e. better if it doesn't sound like a headache-inducing machine-gun every morning.

If not a new TD-11KV, a used TD9KX for around the same price could give you better pads at the compromise of the Supernatural tech, the mesh heads will be replaceable also. You'll want to VEX them anyway to get decent sounds out of any Roland module of course.

I would be interested to know how VEXing a TD-11 compares to Addictive Drums. Both give you superior sounds to the factory ones. AD takes a bit more work, but is it worth it (I'm asking as I am trying to set it up myself)?

[Kabonfaiba]

Well, going VST opens the floodgates not just to Addictive Drums but to getting the best recorded drum sounds... in the world! *Clarkson*
The only problem is that is requires significant infrastructure and investment to do it properly.

Sure, if you get yourself a nice USB interface and a fast PC that can put any latency issues to bed; there would actually be no competition between even a Vexed TD-30, and any major VST suite like Addictive Drums and Superior Drummer - be it that you use premium sound libraries that are professionally recorded. Not even a 2box module has the sophisticated technology inside BFD3 that makes it so authentic, but then again you don't have the ease of use or the portability. Going VST requires technical competence above all else.