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**latzanimal** · 01-24-14, 04:25 AM

Why can't these companies put more than 2 outputs on these things? It would give more control in a live setting....

**Chris K** · 01-24-14, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by latzanimal View Post

Why can't these companies put more than 2 outputs on these things? It would give more control in a live setting....

If you are talking about the Triggers outputs, The SamplePad Pro have 4 output for triggers, and the SampleRack 10 outputs for triggers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlbTtpNWxzM

**hairmetal-81** · 01-24-14, 03:58 PM

I think he refers to the audio outputs!

...and I'll have to agree with Latz: A stereo-output (on such a dedicated product) is not appropriate anymore!
Even the old D4 had two additional 'Aux Outputs' - for individually outputting kick and snare, for example - in addition to its stereo line-outs!

**Chris K** · 01-24-14, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by hairmetal-81 View Post

I think he refers to the audio outputs!

...and I'll have to agree with Latz: A stereo-output (on such a dedicated product) is not appropriate anymore!
Even the old D4 had two additional 'Aux Outputs' - for individually outputting kick and snare, for example - in addition to its stereo line-outs!

My Spd-Sx have Master L\R and Sub Out L\R, you can even root wav to phone only for click track and stuff like this, maybe he is looking for this..

**latzanimal** · 01-25-14, 05:40 AM

Originally posted by hairmetal-81 View Post

I think he refers to the audio outputs!

...and I'll have to agree with Latz: A stereo-output (on such a dedicated product) is not appropriate anymore!
Even the old D4 had two additional 'Aux Outputs' - for individually outputting kick and snare, for example - in addition to its stereo line-outs!

HM has it right. I like to give FOH a separate send for kicks, snare, toms & FX.

More Audio outputs!!!!!

**Oenone** · 01-25-14, 06:08 AM

That hi-hat looks nice!

**Hellfire** · 01-25-14, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by latzanimal View Post

HM has it right. I like to give FOH a separate send for kicks, snare, toms & FX.

More Audio outputs!!!!!

The Sample Rack price point is quite low $199.00. At that price you could build a kit from several units and in doing so you would automatically be adding output as well. Even if the trigger inputs are only single zone its still a good price. For $800.00 you could buy four units, have 32 inputs, and 4 pair stereo outputs. Not bad for $800.00. I don't think there is any new module on the market right now that gives you 8 outputs at $800.00. Just something to keep in mind.

**hairmetal-81** · 01-25-14, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by Hellfire View Post

The Sample Rack price point is quite low $199.00. At that price you could build a kit from several units and in doing so you would automatically be adding output as well. Even if the trigger inputs are only single zone its still a good price. For $800.00 you could buy four units, have 32 inputs, and 4 pair stereo outputs. Not bad for $800.00. I don't think there is any new module on the market right now that gives you 8 outputs at $800.00. Just something to keep in mind.

Wow! Alright...

But I'll still jump on the chance to spit in that soup...

If I had two modules (...let's start small, here...) and I made good use of the kick-trigger inputs on both modules, how do I route both kicks from separate modules out the same output?
Same with toms or other sounds: If my toms were spread over multiple modules, I'd need some sort of inter-connectivity between the modules... or a routing-matrix...
$800 bucks for 32 inputs is an awesome price...$800 bucks for the input/output-ratio of 4:1 is not....
I can think of a certain module that's (kinda) new in US-distribution with bigger retailers, is around the $800 mark and gives you eight outputs for sure! ....though, you may not like it's color.....

(Tongue-in-cheek, of course! Is the manual for the Sample Rack already up somewhere?)

**Hellfire** · 01-25-14, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by hairmetal-81 View Post

Wow! Alright...

But I'll still jump on the chance to spit in that soup...

If I had two modules (...let's start small, here...) and I made good use of the kick-trigger inputs on both modules, how do I route both kicks from separate modules out the same output?

Why would you have your kicks split over two module? That makes no sense. Just because an input is labeled as "Kick" doesn't mean you have to use it as such. All inputs are assignable. Just use inputs #1 & #2 for your kicks.

Originally posted by hairmetal-81 View Post

Same with toms or other sounds: If my toms were spread over multiple modules, I'd need some sort of inter-connectivity between the modules... or a routing-matrix...

See above comment. Not sure why you would need to split your toms over 2 different modules. Keep in mind that if you are wanting to mix the outputs you would just use a standard audio mixer.

Originally posted by hairmetal-81 View Post

$800 bucks for 32 inputs is an awesome price...$800 bucks for the input/output-ratio of 4:1 is not....

Again, show me a brand new module @ $800.00 that give you 32 inputs plus 8 outs. There is none.

Originally posted by hairmetal-81 View Post

I can think of a certain module that's (kinda) new in US-distribution with bigger retailers, is around the $800 mark and gives you eight outputs for sure! ....though, you may not like it's color.....

I would assume you are referring to the 2Box. The only problem with that is the 2Box is $1099.00. At least according to Musician's Friend: 2Box Drumit5 Series Electronic Drum Module

**JmanWord** · 01-26-14, 08:59 AM

I glanced at these at NAMM, but I got sidetracked with new info on the DM Dock. I was guaranteed it would be released this year. I was pretty direct asking if the guarantee was as good as the guarantee of release they gave for the previous years since it was announced. Supposedly the big problem with that was a little adapter needed to make DM Dock compatible with newer or older IPads .... Not sure if it is the same kind of adapter that you could pick up at Radio Shack ..... but, anyway back on current products ..... without specifics I wonder if the Sample Pad or Sample Rack will be able to play multi velocity layer samples or just single samples? big dif in that. For example Roland's new little TM-2 with the SD slot is a nice little idea but if it could handle multi layer samples instead of just single sound samples it would be much better IMO. With the 2Box I can build instruments with up to 127 velocity layers and no problem with playability/latency. Just wondering what these things can do..... and if they can reproduce multi vel. layer samples, how well, how deep, how fast, and can the unit keep up ... so to speak .... time will tell I suppose J

**hairmetal-81** · 01-26-14, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by Hellfire View Post

That makes no sense. Just because an input is labeled as "Kick" doesn't mean you have to use it as such. All inputs are assignable. Just use inputs #1 & #2 for your kicks.

Day-um, you're right... I must have been fooled by the part that said "...plus true kick input"!

I figured I had one input for the kick (...a very special-, or very dedicated one...) It doesn't make much sense at all! Hehehe!

Nevermind.... NEXT!!!

Why would you have your kicks split over two module?

Why would you use 32 inputs just to have 8 outs?

See above comment. Not sure why you would need to split your toms over 2 different modules. Keep in mind that if you are wanting to mix the outputs you would just use a standard audio mixer.

Well, that one was purely hypothetical! - Just imagine a kit with twelve toms... ...and *I want* all the toms share the same stereo buss/output.

Again, show me a brand new module @ $800.00 that give you 32 inputs plus 8 outs. There is none.

The real tricky part for a "counter-attack" is not least the 'Brand New' requirement....

Does the SampleRack have single-zone inputs?
Let's pretend it has:

SampleRack (by four):	32 zones on 32 inputs	8 outputs
TD-30	29 zones on 14 inputs	8 outputs
2box	23 zones on 10 inputs	8 outputs

With 29 zones, the Roland would get closest to the SampleRack, though that's not a $800 price-tag by a long shot...

The 2box has a disadvantage in that comparison in both zones and inputs, but it fits the price-category.

It has multiple sample-layers, freely assignable MIDI-channels, and 99 kits, though ...something the SampleRack has not! - Not even multiplied by four and at $800!

I would assume you are referring to the 2Box. The only problem with that is the 2Box is $1099.00. At least according to Musician's Friend..

It appears that 2boxes in Europe are about 250-300 bucks cheaper than in the US. A bit sad, really...but maybe due to shipping costs or customs. Generally I'd expect to see the module-only offers to undercut the $1000-barrier by quite a bit. Certainly in comparison with EU prices!

As it stands (currently) the 2box seems not to be able to 'squeeze' inside the $800 price-bracket. This would mean the SampleRack is 'to plough the lonely furrow' ...or something similar.

All of this made me realize, just how you'll get alot of 'trigger for money' with modules today! - The 'TMI'-portion of a drum module seems not to be the big factor which makes the buying-price go up, anymore!

The only one that could challenge the SampleRack's 'supremacy' in that regard would possibly be Yamaha's 502...!

**Hellfire** · 01-26-14, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by JmanWord View Post

..... without specifics I wonder if the Sample Pad or Sample Rack will be able to play multi velocity layer samples or just single samples? big dif in that. For example Roland's new little TM-2 with the SD slot is a nice little idea but if it could handle multi layer samples instead of just single sound samples it would be much better IMO.

I agree 100%, as a matter of fact once I found out about the Sample Rack (Wed 1/22/14) I actually started an idea request over at the Alesis Support forum about this exact issue.

Alesis Sample Rack --Two needed features-

I'm hoping with enough support Alesis will put multi velocity layer samples in the programing of the Sample Rack. Of course I tried to start a campaign to get the talked about DM10 OS 2.0 as well, but even though it is/was the most popular idea their support forum ever had, they still didn't do it. Never hurts to try. On a side note: There is tons of discussion over at DMdrummer.com about this vary issue for those interested.

Originally posted by hairmetal-81 View Post

The only one that could challenge the SampleRack's 'supremacy' in that regard would possibly be Yamaha's 502...!

I'm just trying to put the Sample Rack in perspective base on its price point. If one is trying to find fault with it as a reason not to buy, there is plenty to point out. All edrum module solutions have there ups and down, I'm just trying to show a few possibilities. At the same time, I see everything you are stating is correct, but you still haven't shown an $800.00 solution that matches.

Look, I get the knee jerk reaction to Alesis products. I use to make the same points about the DM10 (price point vs. capabilities) and many people just couldn't see. They would cling to those things they didn't like about it as reason for it to suck and always forgetting about the price point. I'm not trying to say the Sample Rack is the "end all to be all", I'm just trying to show that there is a little more to it than the initial reaction and there is always more ways to squeeze more out of a given edrum solution. Honestly, I'm more interested in the new KAT Pro kit and ADAM & EVE combo. Like the Alesis Sample Rack, it has its issues as well.

**Chris K** · 01-26-14, 01:24 PM

New Info, it is shipped with the included 32gig SD Cards with Air Sonivox drum sound http://www.sonivoxmi.com/

read MP3 and Wav files Stereo with the Editor Manager drag and drop. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cbVZZ05giM

**hairmetal-81** · 01-26-14, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by Hellfire View Post

At the same time, I see everything you are stating is correct, but you still haven't shown an $800.00 solution that matches.

"Aaaaahhrrrggg...." ...that's just because it's quite a hard task!

Let me give it another shot:

One of these...

....and one more...

...and yet another one:

...So three 502's in total:

Single DTX-502	20 zones on 8 inputs	2 outputs
DTX-502 (by three)	60 zones on 24 inputs	6 outputs
SampleRack (by four):	32 zones on 32 inputs	8 outputs

The closest I could get at this point - 24 ins (but with alot of zones).

...at an attractive price-point :-)

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