adding more cymbals and pads to a td-10exp

[AkristaK]

Feef you have been a great resource for the "grail trick" I have been toying around with this for about a year now. This is what I've found:

1. Pintech TC cymbals do not work very well with the grailing technique. (i.e. you cannot "shack adapt" 2 Pintech cymbals to one TD-10EX and get 2 seperate sounds and have them trigger accuratley.)

2. Even when using 2 PD-100's and shacking them together I have never achieved more than an a 80% success rate. Hence I don't use the shack technique for recording, since I cannot rely on an 80% success rate.

Feefer, my question to you is how reliable is your current set-up using 15 pads? Do you have to adjust your playing to acount for how hard you hit each pad? What is your success rate for having that many pads "grailed" together.

[drumlogic]

Chris,

Thanks for the info. My first intented application of holy grailing was to add 4 visulite cymbals to the the 2 aux ports. But I just read that best results are obtained when using a single-piezo and an fsr/piezo trigger per input. I will be recieving my first two (10in crash/spalsh and 18in china) in like 3 days. The 10in is not chokeable. Do you think that if I got my next two cymbals with the choking option I would make grailing them, in sets of:single-piezo and fsr/pizeo per aux input, alot easier and effective? When I get them, I'm going to try grailing the two singles together and I'll keep posted as to my progress throughout. Unless you know of someone who already tried this and have some triggering tips to get me going. The other settings you gave me were critical in my recent experiments.

Thanx,
-Drumlogic

[drumlogic]

If you do use (2) FSR/piezo pads (as I do), it will work fine, but the FSR that has the Shack Adapter plugged into it's pad will provide no choking function. I refer to this in the older 'Holy Grail' thread when explaining the concept of the 'master' and 'slave' pad

***What if I use a single piezo and a piezo/fsr pad together and put the shack adapter on the piezo pad. Would this enable the choking function in the fsr trigger???

[drumlogic]

yes, it absolutely makes sense, and I have to admit that I did read about this. But Im not exaggerating when I say that I have read literally hundreds of posts in the past week or so and some of them are so similar but for other applications that I scanned alot of them and didn't fully understand them at the time that I was reading them. Now I have a much better understanding but can't remember where I saw alot of the info and cant bear searching any more. So, I know it must be annoying but, I really like to ask very specific questions like: Can this pad work with this cymbal on this module when connected like that. I can read old posts and try to hypothesize how my equipment may work analogously to yours but thats making alot of assumptions which may not be accurate because, as you've stated, each pad is slightly different and it is these difference's that help us to reach our goal. Anyway, I was happy to hear that i could still choke my fsr piezo, as i was intending to use this as a crash. I think Im gonna be purchasing those other fsr/piezo visulite crashes(14/16) in the next couple days, after I evaluate the (10/18)splash and china im getting in like a day or so. Now these techniques require you to have some technical ability and time to tweak settings, aside from the money it will cost, why wouldn't you buy like a td-5(seen for $300 refurbished) and connect 8 more pads to it, and midi out into the td-10exp for the high quality sounds. Are there drawbacks to doing that like latency or something?

-Drumlogic

[drumlogic]

chris,
Thanks again for the info. Your right I dont really want to start messing with synth patches..yet. Also I would like to keep my equipment down to as few components as possible. I just got my visulite 2 cymbals, both single piezo's, and am using them normally on the two aux ports. I will be buying a chokeable crash soon and then will try grailing it to one of the aux ports. I'll keep you posted as I go.

-Drumlogic

[drumlogic]

I have the vsession kit and currently bought two single piezo visulites(splash and china). Since I am only using 2 of the ride zones I had aux 1 free. Now aux 1 and 2 are used by the visulites however, I need to add more splash's and one more roland cy-14 crash. Correct me if I'm wrong but you can only grail when one of the two pads being grailed together have an fsr trigger.
In the vsession kit the only fsr triggers are in the v-cymbals, which already triggers a rim and head sound per cymbal. Do I have any thing left to grail with? All my other triggers are single piezo. The only thing I can come up with is to stereo split the piezo trigger in the vcymbals with a few 10 inch splashs, which leaves me with same sound just in two from two different locations(triggers). Can grailing still help me? Have you found a way to grail two differnt piezos because I have 4 pd-100's and a kd-120 that I am not using the rim triggers on.

Any input feefer?

-drumlogic