Old "Pro" needs some advice ;)

[Mr Harley]

[Mr Harley]

[cpgrossman]

If you live in sweden then it has to be d-drum.

[oldrocker]

[Mr Harley]

[Mr Harley]

[GRRAVEE]

roland pd-120 or pd-100 toms.hart dynamics snare.v-ride and v-hat.td-10 w tdw-1.try ebay.

[Mr Harley]

Well cpgrossman

Originally posted by cpgrossman
If you live in sweden then it has to be d-drum.

[...andrelax]

Re: Well cpgrossman

i've wanted an electric kit that sounds like an acoustic one for 20 years, but they've been laughable until now because of the cymbals and rubber heads.

here's my two pence:
a td8 is ok, and includes most of the updated stuff in the tdw, but limitations are:
-no positional sensing or rims on toms (ok ok rims are vaguely possible but not worth it)
-no pos sensing on cymbals at all
-no usable bell on cymbals (again possible but rubbish)
other common limitations:
-'hot spot' in the centre square centimetre of the mesh heads,
giving disproportionally louder volume than the rest of the head. (no you can't tune it out) For the snare, its worth getting a pd120 just to avoid it. or a hart snare apparently, not that i've used one.
-i had really bad rsi when i started playing vdrums. 'ahead' sticks and rigorous warmup helps.

good things from my point of view are
-positional sensing on snare drum - i do use that, not on the toms.
-the sound really does develop the louder you hit the instruments.
-cymbal rim&bow sounds. the cymbals are pretty good really. shame they sampled some fairly cheap ones by the sound of it.
-mesh heads feel ok, don't stuff up your wrists as much as rubber and are quiet.
-the hihat really works, and is almost perfect...sometimes it can't keep up but it's nearly there.
-brushes do work to an extent, but you'd be a fool to show up to a jazz gig with electric drums anyway.. i don't know if people think electric drums are real instruments in the us, but they don't here on the whole.
-headphones
-no shillyshallying about with mics and stuff to get a recordable sound, and no annoying venue managers asking you to play quieter but with a 'big' sound.


.... all the rest of the fake microphone placement stuff on the td10 is a gimmick really. so a td8 is workable, but if you can afford it my choice would be: updated td10, pd120, pd80r's, kd80, vcymbals.
maybe you could get a hihat bell/bow/rim sound by using a cy12r/c.
don't mix acoustic cymbals with electric drums - what's the point in that?! you're stuck with a certain volume, plus the tedium and expense of mics etc etc. real cymbals are beautiful infinitely dynamic things, and if you can't do without that just stick with your acoustic set.

(nb the above is only my opinion and there will be 500 other vdrum users who disagree with it)

[Mr Harley]

Re:

Originally posted by ...andrelax
i've wanted an electric kit that sounds like an acoustic one for 20 years, but they've been laughable until now because of the cymbals and rubber heads.

Yepp, that was my situation in -89... looking forward to hearing and playing the difference, your answer is very encouraging!

Originally posted by ...andrelax
here's my two pence:
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[Mr Harley]

[...andrelax]

Re: Brief reiview...

to help you work it out yourself, look at this link where inputs are explained by harlock.

essentially, it's
1&2 - two separate mono inputs on the same jack - used for bass drums
3- snare only
4-10 anything
11&12 same as 1&2

...so yes you can add those things but really you should dump the pd80r and the pd7, [and perhaps consider a cy15r for a ride if you like big stuff.] remember if you really want to use 3-way triggering for the ride it takes 2 inputs and 'doesn't officially work' according to roland. it kinda works, but dont count on it.
here's what i do, not that it's the only way, certainly:

1-kd80
2-another kick sometimes
3-pd120
4-pd7 [percussion]
5-pd7 [percussion/ splashy cymbals]
6-cy12rc bow/rim crash
7-cy12h hh
8-cy12rc bell [with input 6]
9-cy15r bell [with input10]
10-cy15r ride
11-pd80r tom [you only need mono for these-the td8 can't see rims on anything but input 3, so only a pd80 is needed.]
12-pd80r tom

[...andrelax]

Originally posted by Harlock

Check out musicians-gear in Germany.
They ship via UPS to all EC countries (& even to the US ).

hell harlock, i've been paying way more than that! wiah i'd known....

[Mr Harley]

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