I have to say they sound FANTASTIC out of the box. They sound BETTER than the Roland cymbals. They put the Roland shat to shame. That's right, SHAT TO SHAME! They are so much brighter and crisp than the Roland cymbals. I might just go all kit toys. There really is no point to using ROLAND stuff. The Roland cymbals sound muddy and mushy. With a little tweaking they can be improved but the kit toys now dominate as the best sounding cymbals on my kit. Looks like I might have to order three more to replace the Roland stuff.

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