how do i get this sound ?

[hampis]

Hello

i am sure u all know the song ''Child in time" from deep purple.This song has lovely edge sounds on the cymbals in the beginning.How do i get this sound using a td-12 module and either cy-8 or cy-12 (does it make any difference ?)

thanks

[Colquhoun]

Those are taps and rolls on the bell of the cymbal with the tip of the stick.
Easy to do on an acoustic....no idea how to create that with e-cymbals. Maybe map some bell sounds to the bow of one or more cymbals?
Have you done the bell-fix that some others have done here? Not sure if it would make a difference or not. Maybe someone that has done it will chime in....

For reference, studio version is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDskym_V1GI

BTW, thanks for reminding me of this one....time to go dust off my old copy of "Made In Japan"......

[hampis]

I think this is a very BASIC feature every ecymbal should have.I don't wanna believe roland has not workrd on this.Actually it,s a soft bow tic not an edge as i said neither a bell . I use it very often on accoustic for ballads mainly.
Colg....btw made in japan is Imo the best live album ever !!

[Colquhoun]

Actually it,s a soft bow tic not an edge as i said neither a bell .

I beg to differ....it's ALL bell, on 3 cymbals.
Check out this vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJCTrolF3CY

[Abecedary]

It's definitely played on the bell. From the first YouTube clip Colquhoun posted, it sounds like it's played a little more on the bow for the last hit in each group, but it might just be because it's a different cymbal. But yeah, it's definitely bell.

[dave_b]

E-cymbals don't use the bells?!

[Colquhoun]

E-cymbals don't use the bells?!

They do, but you need to whack the snot out of them.
Thus, you get a bell "whack" sound, and not the "nuanced-Ian-Paice-stick-tip-bell-dance" that makes the song.
The bell fix modification should make this possible, as it greatly increases the sensitivity of the bell on CY-12, 14 and 15 cymbals. Modify at your own risk, but there have been MANY happy modifiers here on this forum.

[hampis]

yes it's obvious it's bell u are right colq....swear i saw it somewhere with the edge...anyway that;s not the point.

so even if u get close to this sound u can do it only with a td-12 module and only on a cy-12 right ?
well this is one of the things i don't like on roland products.It's so common on an accoustic set, why do u need to get the hell out of you (did i say it right ?)
to get this

[Colquhoun]

yes it's obvious it's bell u are right colq....swear i saw it somewhere with the edge...anyway that;s not the point.

so even if u get close to this sound u can do it only with a td-12 module and only on a cy-12 right ?
well this is one of the things i don't like on roland products.It's so common on an accoustic set, why do u need to get the hell out of you (did i say it right ?)
to get this

You can only get a bell sound by hitting a bell on a CY-12, 14 or 15....
UNLESS you map one of the bell sounds to the bow of a CY-5 or CY-8. And you don't need a TD-12 for bell sounds. Just map any of the rdb sounds (instrument #631, #641, #645 etc. on a TD-6) to the bow of the CY-8...keep the edge as a crash, save the kit as "Paice" and off you go.

[paladin]

Would putting various bell sounds on the drum rims work??
I would think that would be an easy way to do it off hand.