new to vdrums. quick easy question, help please [expand td-3?]

[kevin e]

I'm totally going to go MIDI and software next year. That said, isn't the TD-3 a bit limited as a controller? Or does that all depend on the software? For starters, there's no rims on the toms, though I can live without that, but I've also been reading that, say, getting a VH-11 wouldn't do me much good because the TD-3's high hat input doesn't support all its features. Anyone know more about that?

I found that the VH-11 (through an older td-10) wasn't what its all cracked up to be, didn't notice a diff in midi response at all, but maybe thats cuz the td-10 is old and not developed for the vh-11. But my intuition tells me the 11 and 12 are just for 'feel" and not for better response, on the newer brains..

In other words, the hats are working great for my td-3-midi. A lot of the hat action is due to the program, not the module.

Getting more hits available and rim shots was a little fling for me at one time, but it doesn't make you a better, responsive, or more interesting player.

The td-3 has rims on the snare and three cymbals, thats 4 rims, plenty of extra gizmos for me, all changable.. I think if you have to go Neal Peart, and need more midi pads, just buy another td-3 and build a bigger kit. With all of the good drum programs you can build gigantic sets if you want to. Two td-3s is like, what, 400$, a far cry from other choices.

So, it is fun to get all you can get, but there is also a great ascetic to getting the most out of the least. As other guys have said, the greatest drummers in history, some have used 4 piece kits.

I am glad I'm down to a td-3. Small footprint, but a world of sample possibility.

Some developers have really great support forums, interactively taking suggestions and polls on what their users want next in expansion packs, say a Jazz Kit or a Hip Hop kit etc. Be wise on what program you delve into though. Some of these are too expensive too if you ask me. When the expansion paks are just as much as the main program, thats ridiculous.

[BarT]

I have just bought for a td 9kx and it sounds great ,i am very new to drumming but picking it up very quickly(played guitar 15 years)

today i managed to get the TD to record in ableton live and and play back using the TD module as external hardware (trust me this is a big step for me).
bit of a prob with volume cant seen to control it via ableton live only on the TD module.

anyway way i was very interested in the about the stuff i read concerning add on packs and going midi (This is why i bought the kit).

is there a Faq or are there any freeware add on extensions anywhere on the net ,i want to try to import them in to my TD module and try them out before i start giving money out on real kits such as V-Expressions and so.

Cheers jae

I think you're asking if there are free TD-9 kit settings available, and I don't think there are any.

Bruce

[taffy]

this sounds great

I have just bought for a td 9kx and it sounds great ,i am very new to drumming but picking it up very quickly(played guitar 15 years)

today i managed to get the TD to record in ableton live and and play back using the TD module as external hardware (trust me this is a big step for me).
bit of a prob with volume cant seen to control it via ableton live only on the TD module.

anyway way i was very interested in the about the stuff i read concerning add on packs and going midi (This is why i bought the kit).

is there a Faq or are there any freeware add on extensions anywhere on the net ,i want to try to import them in to my TD module and try them out before i start giving money out on real kits such as V-Expressions and so.

Cheers jae

[grog]

Good question.

I know that for the Hart Pedal Pro II (which has the same capability as the VH11/12 models) running thru a TD10, you don't get all the capability of that piece of hardware. And I say that running it into EZD.

My understanding is that you use an older module, you are still very limited in terms of what the HH can do even in MIDI. Thus, you need the combination of Chaotic Box and Loop-Be software for full capability in MIDI. The link that walks one thru this mess is:

http://www.vdrums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36001

I could be wrong about this but there have been several of us with state-of-the-art HH rigs on older modules and even with MIDI, they don't do what they'd do if plugged into a TD12/20 acting as a MIDI controller....again, unless you use the software setup described in the above link.

https://www.myspace.com/rubberuniverse

[monospace]

I don't think that's true for MIDI, only internal sounds. Where did you read that?

Uh, here... I think. But you're right, I think that referred to the internal sounds. So you're saying I would have full VH-11 functionality with MIDI and SD2? That would be sweet.

[BarT]

... but I've also been reading that, say, getting a VH-11 wouldn't do me much good because the TD-3's high hat input doesn't support all its features. Anyone know more about that?

I don't think that's true for MIDI, only internal sounds. Where did you read that?

Bruce

[monospace]

Go midi, never look back and be dependent upon limited, super expensive, obsolete hardware. Your td-3 offers everything you need, just as a controller.

I'm totally going to go MIDI and software next year. That said, isn't the TD-3 a bit limited as a controller? Or does that all depend on the software? For starters, there's no rims on the toms, though I can live without that, but I've also been reading that, say, getting a VH-11 wouldn't do me much good because the TD-3's high hat input doesn't support all its features. Anyone know more about that?

[Michael Render]

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Live-Wire-TRS-M--Dual-1-4--Insert-Cable-100226714-i1172388.gc

Guitar center has them. Almost any music retailer will.

[djackson]

where could I find one of these cords?

could you give me a link?

[grog]

The other, more complicated way (which is why I like it) to use two modules is to connect em via MIDI. That way, you don't tie up your Mix In input. That's assuming you need it.

Some people like tons of pads, I like making things complicated.

https://www.myspace.com/rubberuniverse

[Michael Render]

To use two modules, just run the output of one into the Mix In of the other. You will need an insert cable that mixes two mono signals to one stereo signal. Plug the mono jacks of the cable into the L and R outputs of one, and then the stereo jack into the mix in of the other. Simple.

[kevin e]

Use a computer and you'll have access to more drum sounds than you can, ahem, shake a stick at, free and not free. You won't have to worry about purchasing super expensive and eventually outdated hardware down the road. Aftermarket drum software programs are always improving in quality, relatively inexpensive, offer a world of ever renewed variety, and always up to date. Plus its fun getting an expansion pak that costs $19 instead of an soon to be obselete card that costs $1000.00. I've been getting into Vinyl drum samples lately, free. I can make my own samples with Reaper, $40.00, and trigger them with my td-3 and Battery..I sold my huge td-10 kit...what for? Just took up a lot of room...

You're using a computer now aren't you? You're just an application away from infinity. They even make drum programs that are stand-alones, and accept a wide variety of samples not created by them.

Go midi, never look back and be dependent upon limited, super expensive, obsolete hardware. Your td-3 offers everything you need, just as a controller.

[djackson]

ok, so say I wanted to use two moudles.

my buddy has another td3 module that he is just giving to me.
Would I be able to use two td3 modules before I buy the td-12?

how do I use two modules, do you have to run a cord from one to the other?

thanks again for answering my stupid questions.

[Fullback32]

If you can't afford or do not want to afford a TD-12, the TD-6V makes a very nice expansion module and they are not that expensive....relatively anyway. The Alesis DM5 is not bad either, but know that that module does not support duel trigger pads. However, it is good if you use it to trigger sounds from your TD-3 via MIDI as it has 12 inputs! They a relatively inexpensive also.

[Michael Render]

sounds like I should go for quality rather than quanity though

What I said about pads had a smiley face after it. Meaning I was kidding. I always choose quantity! Check out the gear section of my web site.