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  • #2
    ASBO = Anti-Social Behaviour Order (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbo).

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    • #3
      Some people are just unreasonable. Surely you can come to an arrangement about a time to play. Jesus, we all have to put up with noise at times, and I have had noisy neighbours, far worse than impact from drums, and the authorities did [absolutely nothing].
      An ASBO for that would suggest you are playing at night. Is that the case? If not you are within your rights to play during the daytime.
      Mail her a dog turd in a box.
      Last edited by BarT; 11-06-08, 11:58 AM. Reason: Rule 3

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      • #4
        That's too bad. Is there a chance to built an isolated room to play? You might check a forum like http://forum.studiotips.com/. I had roof sound problems a while ago and solved them by insulating them by putting an extra 'wall' in front of it made of specials bars (double with felt in between), foam and plasterboard.

        Here are two links to a Dutch company which is specialised in these products link 1 and link 2 (I hope it translates acceptable). Here is a link to floor isolation (unfortunately only in Dutch, but perhaps you can find companies like that in the UK): pdf file.

        I hope there's something you can do to keep playing drums!

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        • #5
          I'm also surprised that you could compromise on an hour or so a day when she would be out or have the telly on or something...maybe you need to get an ASOB out on her....is there an ombudsman or some other mediator who could perhaps help you work out an agreement?
          TD9+6v with Diamond Electronic pads, and cowbell.
          ATH-50m headphones, VEX packs
          not to mention keyboards, guitars, basses, and cats

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          • #6
            That does suck, I'm always mega worried about disturbing my neighbours which is why I always make sure I keep to sociable hours and I try to avoid it if they ever have visitors but some people are just unreasonable (I think I've had a good run of good neighbors though)

            When I used to live with my parents I had an acoustic set setup in a big old shed in our garden. We tried to sound proof it (in an eggbox way) but as I had band practices there - it was gonna be loud (and it was loud, fast and largely untalented music). We were always respectful keeping practices down to about 1.5 hours of intermittent playing and never later than around 7pm.

            However, one neighbor complained and we got sent the same letter you did (although it was before ASBO's became the in-thing). I wrote a polite letter back explaining we had never been approached by the neighbor and how we are respectful but in the end we decided to just try and mute everything (a decision which affected my technique ALOT).

            When I got my own house I decided to go electric. I've never had a complaint but I'm always weary of it. Some people do demand silence at all times and you won't change their opinion.

            Whenever I think about my dream house all I can think of is 'detached house - no joining walls'!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by KevH View Post
              you are within your rights to play during the daytime.
              I think this is true. As far as I'm aware you can only get an ASBO if they can prove the volume is above a certain level (and it's pretty high) or you are playing at unreasonable times.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Philo View Post
                I think this is true. As far as I'm aware you can only get an ASBO if they can prove the volume is above a certain level (and it's pretty high) or you are playing at unreasonable times.
                Correct. It has to be a constant high level of noise for a prolonged period time, and on a daily basis.
                My old neighbours son had his music on really loud every day, and we had a monitoring system here for recording, because it was just silly, boom boom boom through the walls with the bass. It wasn't enough to do anything legally, and there is no way an electric kit and impact sound is worse.

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                • #9
                  Set up an a-kit. Play it during the same hours as you do now. If she complaines, try to explain her you prefer a-kits over e-kits, and it seems that no matter what kit you play, she complains. Tell her e-kits cost more than a-kits and you already did the effort and investments of buying e-kits to please her. Maybe (hmmm...) she'll get reasonably.

                  Of course, in reality it may be harder than on paper...


                  Stijn
                  'lectric drumma
                  Roland TD-20, Hart Dynamics 7.6, 2 x PD-7, extra PD-7 and Hart Snare laying around, Vic Firth Dave Weckl signature sticks, Axis A-longboards double pedal, Sony MDR-CD780 headphones and not enough inputs.

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                  • #10
                    Why not just move? I guess it's all a matter of priorities.

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                    • #11
                      It seems to me there is a balance of rights here. While your neighbor has some measure of rights to be able to enjoy her domicile, she does not have a right to complete silence. You have a right to enjoy your domicile and the right to your personal pursuits. I would look into the laws and see what they are regarding noise levels and tell your neighbor that if she thinks you are exceeding them to go ahead and file a complaint. People threaten legal action all the time without any real grounds for doing so, so don't let her intimidate you that way, especially after you have done everything a reasonable person can do to be considerate and accommodating.

                      My neighbors have dogs that bark. Sometimes they bark and bark and bark and bark, and they can be heard plainly in every room of my house. It annoys the hell out of me, but I'm sure that I have no legal complaint because they don't keep me awake at night.

                      I wonder if her reaction would be the same if you were just listening to the stereo or watching TV? Does your neighbor just sit around all day and never make any noise? That doesn't mean you have to live that way.

                      Don't give up. Stand up for your rights.

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                      • #12
                        i just don't get it, your using headphones right? and what she's hearing is the sound of the sticks hitting the mesh pads and the bass drum beater hitting mesh or rubber right? in the daytime right? from another apartment right? if that's it, i would have 2 words for her but im not going to say them here. she can't do anything legally about that can she. it's your right to be able to do that for an hour or two a day. she can just put up with it like the traffic or the door bell ringing or any other reasonable little noises that people have a right to make during the day.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by i-drum View Post
                          i just don't get it, your using headphones right? and what she's hearing is the sound of the sticks hitting the mesh pads and the bass drum beater hitting mesh or rubber right? in the daytime right? from another apartment right? if that's it, i would have 2 words for her but im not going to say them here. she can't do anything legally about that can she. it's your right to be able to do that for an hour or two a day. she can just put up with it like the traffic or the door bell ringing or any other reasonable little noises that people have a right to make during the day.
                          Actually, I think its the sound travelling through the floor that is the problem (i.e. you hit the pad, some vibration is transmitted to the rack and, in turn, on to and through the floor). The bass drum is very bad for this but still a hell of a lot better than an E-Kit.

                          But otherwise yes, people need to understand that it's your right to have a hobby as much as it's there right to hear nothing!

                          I wonder how many 'Rock Band' kits are annoying neighbours now? Those things are louder than my kit

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by stickinthemud View Post
                            My neighbors have dogs that bark. Sometimes they bark and bark and bark and bark, and they can be heard plainly in every room of my house. It annoys the hell out of me, but I'm sure that I have no legal complaint because they don't keep me awake at night
                            Going back to my complaining neighbour, as well as the drumming they also complained about our 'large dog who lives outside and barks all night'. In reality my dog is a corgie who lives inside for all but a couple of hours a day and it certainly not constantly barking.

                            Anyway, a week after we got the 'stop making noise' letter we had a knock on the door in the morning. Apparantly my neighbours had enough of our loud dog this time and stormed over to yell. My step mum answered the door and took a barrage of abuse. At the end of all this the neighbour yelled, "Listen, I can hear that ******* dog barking like mad now". At which point my step mum stood aside and pointed out that our dog was asleep in the hall.

                            Some people will complain at anything without cause!

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                            • #15
                              DO NOT SELL YOUR KIT !!!!! Talk to your neighbor and set a time when you
                              can play. Also check with the proper authorities about noise levels during the
                              day. Do you really want to sell your rig... of course you don't !!!! You DO have
                              rights also !!!! Please keep us posted and best of luck !!!! E.
                              Eric G: Pearl,Paiste,Remo,Vic Firth,Gibraltar,Roc-n-Soc,Roland TD-6V, Lots of Vex and mesh all around.

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