hi-hat dilemma

[t_henson]

i have a td20 and am currently using the fd8 and cy5 as the hi-hat. i am wanting to upgrade but cant decide between the vh11 or the vh12. is it really worth the couple hundred bucks to upgrade to the vh12? is there a different "feel" between the two?

[drum head )'>]

the real dilemma is which, of the many, threads on this topic to read after you do a search.

[saku]

or even, who to believe, since there is so rarely a consensus of opinion! paralysis by analysis.....

[KevH]

Ultimately you need to go to a store that has both and see for yourself really.

[V(ader)DRUMMER]

Ultimately you need to go to a store that has both and see for yourself really.

Agreed. Test driving is the only way you'll know for sure which feels right for you.

[grog]

the real dilemma is which, of the many, threads on this topic to read after you do a search.

You rock.

Some day, I think people make posts like this just to punch my buttons.

Well, I'd like to hang around and say "UTFSE" but I need to go outside, chase some kids off my lawn and shake my fist at passing clouds.

In all seriousness, T_henson, there are literally a bazillion threads in here that discuss all the nuances of various high-end HH installations.

https://www.myspace.com/rubberuniverse

[Peter W]

hi hat

Why not point him to those threads or answer the question? I would definitely get the vh-12 . It seems to be $100 more in the US. The hi hat will tighten with pressure. This will not happen with the vh-11,and will make a larger difference if you have the tdw-20.

[grog]

Why not? Because is my time more (or less) important than his? In the time it would take me to UTFSE and find the links, he could have done the same thing. Plus, I've already used my quota of doing exactly that this week.

Moreover, your answer is exactly what many of us are trying to talk against: absolutes. For your "I would definitely get the vh-12", if you UTFSE, you'll find any number of people who would say otherwise, be it the vh-11 or the Hart Epedal Pro II.

That's why it's important to search here and see what's what, particularly on a subject that's been covered as *extensively* as "what high end HH should I use?"

https://www.myspace.com/rubberuniverse

[Herl]

First of all, remind the OP that he needs to decide what exactly it is he wants from some potential hihat. Then, he needs to find the specific details on those hihats. Reading all the hits one by one will take him forever and "paralyze him by analysis" like Saku points out ... Result?? He wastes a lot of time reading "non-consensus" opinions.

SO ... tell us exactly what you want from a hihat. I only know the VH-11, but there are people who have experience with both.

Let's be constructive, here.

[Relayer]

When checking things out at a store, it's always a good idea to make sure everything is configured properly. When I tried-out a VH-11 at a Guitar Center, the module was set to Pad Type. I almost didn't buy it, because I'm thinking "well this thing's a piece of crap", then I checked and found the proper setting and all was well.

Good Luck.

Steve

[Herl]

When checking things out at a store, it's always a good idea to make sure everything is configured properly. When I tried-out a VH-11 at a Guitar Center, the module was set to Pad Type. I almost didn't buy it, because I'm thinking "well this thing's a piece of crap", then I checked and found the proper setting and all was well.

Good Luck.

Steve

Now, THIS is constructive ... I went to a Danish music store here in Copenhagen and almost didn't buy any kit at all because the hihat "seemed" to be not working.

I thought "this is made in Hong Kong" ... so I was like "nah, TD-12 is a toy". But then I asked about it, and the guy was really cool. We went into the manual .. read and read and read, and found out how to set it up right ... It was a dream. The VH-11 is very good, but it is not real metal.

[t_henson]

to those who are trying to be internet police, i did use the search feature but came up with a lot of irrelevant threads and i don't have hours to sit here searching through different threads. my bad?

plus i didn't really come across anything that talked about the difference in the feel between the two. also, i haven't found any music stores locally that have the vh11 and vh12 to test out side by side. the guitar center only has a vh11 hooked up to a td12.

for those who were actually constructive, thank you. i will definitely make sure the settings are correct if i don't think it sounds right if i get to try one out in the store. as far as what i want from the hat is just something that feels natural and sounds natural. i haven't came across anything that states the vh12 clearly performs better than the vh11.

[racer52]

to those who are trying to be internet police, i did use the search feature but came up with a lot of irrelevant threads and i don't have hours to sit here searching through different threads. my bad?

plus i didn't really come across anything that talked about the difference in the feel between the two. also, i haven't found any music stores locally that have the vh11 and vh12 to test out side by side. the guitar center only has a vh11 hooked up to a td12.

for those who were actually constructive, thank you. i will definitely make sure the settings are correct if i don't think it sounds right if i get to try one out in the store. as far as what i want from the hat is just something that feels natural and sounds natural. i haven't came across anything that states the vh12 clearly performs better than the vh11.

Hope this helps... A friend of mine is a professional drummer and studio artist. He highly recommended the VH12. I had a chance to play on the TD20 full set with VH12. It is the most realistic HiHat action/sound. The full range of tonal control is near excellent. after testing the others I bought the VH-12/TD-20 combination. Note that the VH12 needs the TD 20 to get this level of sound..... hmmm... I have been told that the TD-12 also supports the VH12

[Peter W]

vh 12

The vh 12 has the ability to tighten the sound with velocity. I think this makes it worth the extra money.

[Peter W]

vh12

I am wondering why someone would take the time to create 2 posts to complain about someone asking a question,and then ironically say they don't have time to post a link.

We should be supportive of fellow musicians. I don't understand why people would use music boards for a way to express personal anger. I experienced this with a recording board before. The angry aggressive people didn't have impressive credits.

On the other hand,very famous engineers on the same site were positive and inspiring,as well as very diplomatic.

I am guilty of posting angry comments about software,because some of it is not well designed for non computer engineering people.For example,Superior 2.0 did not come with an E drum template,and it is not on their website. After I downloaded it,I discovered that you had to restart the computer to find it. BFD works much better than this.