Help [KD-8 kick bounce]

[Ash]

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[saku]

sorry, do you mean you dont want to jiggle the retrigger or mask times on your triggering settings? IIn that case, can you adjust the spring tension on the pedal?

[Ash]

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[saku]

I don't want to not hear it because I will still know its happening.

yes, i see and agree...well, that leaves adjusting the string oops, spring tension, or making sure your beats are clean and you dont bury the beater, come cleanly off.

[Ash]

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[saku]

should I tighten the spring tension?
I havent messed with it all all its same as when I got it.

no, loosen it so there isnt so much energy in it after the beat...try adjusting the free play and length of the beater as well, so it sets up to match your own style, strength, size of foot, etc...

Edit: I should say, i have the same problem, except for playing heel up, and I have to be really careful not to bury the beater, and to come cleanly off the pedal...even AFTER jigging the mask and retrigger times....

[Michael Render]

I tighten my springs almost all the way. That pulls the beater back faster. I also have very large legs (OK, I'm fat) so the tight springs help support my legs.

The general rule of thumb is to setup the pedal so the beater is about 45 degrees back. Then adjust the tension so that when you just put your foot on the pedal, the beater now rests about halfway between the 45 degree position and the head.

[Dannyw]

Is it bad practice to bury the beater? I'm guessing you mean - leave it pushed down. I do this all the time i think. I don't get any double triggering though. Am i teaching myself a bad habbit here?

[lopan]

Is it bad practice to bury the beater? I'm guessing you mean - leave it pushed down. I do this all the time i think. I don't get any double triggering though. Am i teaching myself a bad habbit here?

I think the wisdom behind "not burying the beater" is that your speed will be faster as your not waiting as long for the beater to return before you can start the next stroke. Burying the beater on an acoustic kit also has the effect of damping the ring of the head.

[tomrbland]

It depends. If you play acoustic drums this can wreck the sound of your bass drum but on electric I have never had a problem with it. My left foot is still distinctly lazy and I often bury my left foot beater (I have only ever had a double pedal on an electric kit). But years of acoustic playing has taught my right foot not to.

I have never had a problem with double triggering. I have had a problem with miss triggers if I am doing some very fast double bass work, I presume its if I trigger the bass drum before it's cutoff to stop double triggering due to resonance has lifted.

[Dannyw]

Hmm, well regardless of the speed issue i think it makes sense to practice as you would on an acoustic kit. If the day came where i was lucky enough to be able to play one of those instead then it would suck if i was totally tuned into burying the beater. I'ma have to force myself to stop then.

Bad thing is i find it much more comfortable to rest my foot down. Though Render said above that tightening the spring tension can help this. I'll have to give it a go.

Anyways, sorry Ash, the thread is yours again

[Rewind]

On old pedals it helps to get a new spring. I never had this issue with my kd-8. Maybe you could adjust the velocity/sensitivity on the module. I rebuilt my kd-8 to a 10" mesh head kick, and only then I had this issue. i tightened the spring to max and I think it helps to jerk the pedal back faster so it doesn't hit the kick again.

You can also try to cut up a mouse mat and tape it to the pedal to get a softer hit. I tried this on my gibraltar single pedal and it helps. I used double sided foam tape, 1-2 mm thick.

[Rewind]

After doing some heavy testing on the issue on bouncing pedals on my 10" mesh heads kd-8 conversion, I came to the conclusion that i don't know really..

The best way is to experiment with kick pedal spring tension, kick arm length and mesh head tuning, til you get to a point where you are reasonably satisfied with the bounce effect. Then it is all in the wrist, I mean ancle. I have trained myself never to bounce, but my friend who came over bounced all over the beats.

[sciomako]

I also got the double triggering on my DD505 if I bury the beater, even though I never have the problem on an acoustic kit. I suppose it happens because of too much rebound on bass pad? On a mesh head, can't you just tune it down until the rebound feels like an acoustic one?

[pilmat]

Had this problem with KD-8 on my TD-3. When I got the kit, the dealer had opened the box to take out the KD-8 for another customer and was waiting on a new one. In the mean time, he leant me the KD-8 off his showroom floor (VERY well used!). The feel was great. Then when I got the new one, it had this horrible double hit. It just took a while to break-in and got to be like the well used one.

Now I'm on my new TD-9 and going through the break-in again. And it is just as annoying as the first time! I turn up the mask time and set the pedal spring where I want it. I have found it easier to turn down the mask time as the KD-8 comes to me as opposed to learning a new pedal setting. And it teaches you to be aware of your foot and to get a clean rebound without burrying the pedal.

Just one more thing to put on the list of Roland gripes that don't get fixed (along with hot-spots, poor bell response on the CYs, crappy hat sounds on the 9, FD-8 that needs tweaking, expensive). But, hey, we still love them...

Phil.