Are there 2 different models of the TD-12 brain?

[MinusBasil]

And before Grog has a fit, I tried the search engine (closest I got was the 1.02 software update).

So I was at Guitar Center talking to them about the TD12 set that I'm getting in 2 days, and they have 2 different versions of the TD-12 set that they sell:

Version 1 is the TD-12KV, listed at $3300.

Version 2 is not on their website, but RMC Audio has it here as the TD-12SV. According to their sales rep on the phone, it's 2699, same as Guitar Center.

Here's the dilemma: according to the RMC rep, the only difference is that the KV model ships with an extra cymbal. According to the Guitar Center rep, the KV model is actually an upgraded TD-12 brain along with the extra cymbal. Both sites show the exact same picture for their set. What's the deal here?

[JohnQ Public]

As far as I know and someone more knowledgeable than I can chime in, the s and the k are just different letters used in different regions. I believe s is for north america and k is for Europe. It threw me for a loop when I bought my kit from gc because it was a td-3kw. When I looked on their website they called it a td-3sw. I thought I had a different set but it was exactly the same set. I don't think there is more than one td-12 brain. So whoever is telling you that is full of it.

[daveybabes]

There has been no upgrade to the TD12 module according to the Roland website, the only diff in the kits is the extra cymbal and boom arm/clamp as you say. Does it really justify the extra difference in money? or can one still buy the older version and add the extra cymbals themselves purchased from Ebay for a bargain price?

The rep must be genuinely mistaken

Agreed below too it's kit and set. Here in the UK we call it a drum kit but strangely enough in a casual sentence can also be regarded as a set of drums too.

[BarT]

The two kits you linked to (both with a third CY-12R/C) are identical; the current model, TD-12SV.

The previous model without the extra cymbal was the TD-12S (now in "legacy" section).

Roland have included the extra cymbal at no additional cost since June 2008 when the TD-12SV replaced the TD-12S:

ROLAND ADDS VALUE TO ITS TD-12S V-DRUMS® SET

GC are full of BS.

Bruce

[MinusBasil]

Yeah, I talked to a Roland support rep about it a while ago, he set me straight. I in turn talked to the GC manager who told me that, and he says that he got the info from his Roland rep and would talk to him about it and see why they've got two of the exact same set (plus or minus a CY12) at a $600 difference.

[Fullback32]

The brain is the same on both those kits. TD-12 modules are the same regardless of the kit they are attached to.

[Dannyw]

Yeah, I talked to a Roland support rep about it a while ago, he set me straight. I in turn talked to the GC manager who told me that, and he says that he got the info from his Roland rep and would talk to him about it and see why they've got two of the exact same set (plus or minus a CY12) at a $600 difference.

Sounds like he is telling porkies and shifting the blame after getting caught red handed. What an *******.

[MinusBasil]

Sounds like he is telling porkies and shifting the blame after getting caught red handed. What an *******.

I've got a pretty good BS detector, and I got the definite feeling that he honestly wasn't aware that they were the same kit and that the Roland rep was the one giving out bad information. I could of course be wrong, but that's my gut instinct on the matter.

[Vtoy]

A brief looking inside the TD12 module and we can check Roland made some restrictions on the TD 12...
Probably due to marketing reasons face to TD-20 sales

The fact is than on the mother board, you can see the free places ( messing components) for this :

- expansion slot for internal expansion cards like today on TD 20: TW-12
- expansion slot for memory extension cards (like to day on TD20).

What that means?
Simply Roland decided not to propose a full TD12 like it was made and developped for...

The reason can be first of all "Marketing Reasons", to push TD20 on top sales and not to provide these two options to make trouble on choice for users.

Now to the answer can it be modify?
The answer is NO, as the main board needs to be upgrade hardly by adding messing components and upgrade the firmware.

To the question, can ROLAND propose a new version of the TD12?
The answer is YES, as they just need to add these messing components and liberate these options...

If some people are nearest Roland Team, please investigate on this...

Regards

[stickinthemud]

Vtoy,

Very impressive and informative first post! Welcome to the forum, and thanks!

[Erik-RMC]

Tyler told me about this. There is only one TD-12 module ( like we said ). They upgraded the TD-12 kit this Summer by throwing in an extra CY-12RC and they changed the part # to TD-12SV-BK or TD-12SV-WT. They also slightly lowered the price.