Using a TD-3 with HD-1 - No Kick

[sparky472]

I have a Roland HD-1 V-drums lite and decided to use a TD-3 with it instead of the too-limited HD-1 module. Everything works except the kick. I don't know how the kick trigger is any different from any of the others (or for that matter different than the hi-hat pedal), but it just doesn't work. Anybody know why or if there is a work-around for this? I've tried the same cable with other triggers and it works, so I know it's not the cable. I've tried other triggers plugged into the kick on the TD-3 and that works, so I know it's not the module. And the kick works with the HD-1 module.

Thanks

[Rrrob]

I'm sure I've posted about this before . . . but anyway, from what I've read the HD1 uses the speed you depress the pedal to guage the velocity of the hit, so its kick pedal is transmitting something more like a midi CC value than a 'noteon' event, so to be honest I think your chances of getting it working are quite small, you'll need an actual kick trigger like a kd-8

[mbishop93]

I have the exact same problem
Another thread similair which may help is this. (although I see you have already found it)

But from that I still am unable to see exactly what to do.
For I have just recently received a TD-3 unit, three PD-8 drums, and some leads to connect all my HD-1 pieces to the TD-3. Everything so far has worked except for the kick. And it's nothing to do with a faulty pedal because you can use either as a high-hat control.

One option is to get the KD-8 kick, but it would be akward connecting it to the HD-1 frame. And the KD-8 costs £60 (62 euros, $115). Then you would have to get a new frame (from a higher model) - which from my searching is difficult, just to get the frame.

So I'm not sure really - whether I should just go in for the kill by getting the KD-8 and a new frame, just get the KD-8 and DIY some sort of mounting, or to keep searching and find a wacky solution (possibly).

[BarT]

I have the exact same problem
Another thread similair which may help is this

The other option is to keep the HD-1 module purely as a kick to MIDI interface for a TD-3 kick sound.

Bruce

[mbishop93]

...I have the HD-1 because it is small and easily transportable in our car, with no need to fiddle around with wires or midi cables or worry about accidently standing on cables trailing from one thing to the next. If I were to have a midi cable going into the TD-3 from the HD-1, I would need a midi cable, another plug free for the unit's power supply, a stand for the TD-3...it's not a long term solution.

How hard would it be to get the KD-8 and mount it in place of the HD-1's kick 'leg' (customisation of the stand)?

For I think that's what I'll have to do in the end - buy the KD-8 (it'll improve the kick sound etc anyway)

It's a shame Roland couldn't let it be compatible

[gs4b]

The other option is to keep the HD-1 module purely as a kick to MIDI interface for a TD-3 kick sound.

Bruce

Hi Bart/Bruce, All, new to forum, hope this is appropriate to follow on this thread. I have an HD-1 and have recently got hold of a TD-6V module which I have been triggering with MIDI from the HD-1, maps fine. I need to keep the low noise kick of the HD-1 but would like to progress to better pads etc. I have a FD-8 controller and I tried your idea of controlling the kick through MIDI and direct input for the HI-Hat and FD-8. This worked ok but what I really wanted to do was use both the HD-1 pedals for double bass through midi but could not get this to work because the left pedal still triggered the note for the hi-hat (44?) Is there a way you can map the MIDI notes in the TD-6 module that when the 44 is triggered by the left pedal I can map this to a kick? If you can't do this on the TD-6 can you do it in one of the more advanced modules? Hope this makes sense as I'm relatively new to this. Many Thanks.

[BarT]

Hi Bart/Bruce, All, new to forum, hope this is appropriate to follow on this thread. I have an HD-1 and have recently got hold of a TD-6V module which I have been triggering with MIDI from the HD-1, maps fine. I need to keep the low noise kick of the HD-1 but would like to progress to better pads etc. I have a FD-8 controller and I tried your idea of controlling the kick through MIDI and direct input for the HI-Hat and FD-8. This worked ok but what I really wanted to do was use both the HD-1 pedals for double bass through midi but could not get this to work because the left pedal still triggered the note for the hi-hat (44?) Is there a way you can map the MIDI notes in the TD-6 module that when the 44 is triggered by the left pedal I can map this to a kick? If you can't do this on the TD-6 can you do it in one of the more advanced modules? Hope this makes sense as I'm relatively new to this. Many Thanks.

Welcome!

You would have to pick an unused input head or rim on the TD-6 where you could assign both note number 44 and a kick sound, e.g. Tom 1 Rim or Input 6 Aux. (You can't make use of percussion sets on a TD-6 as the sounds for note 44 would be fixed; on a TD-8/9/10/12/20 a user percussion set would be easier.)

You could try setting the note number for Tom 1 Rim (R04) to 44 at KIT, EDIT, CONTROL, Note No. and then set a kick sound there at KIT, EDIT, INST.

But I think you would also need to set hi-hat note numbers to a different range by changing the hi-hat head (H03) from 46 to 60.

(Use Shift with the arrow buttons to reach R04 and H03.)

And you would need to do this for each kit on the TD-6! (which you wouldn't need to do with a user percussion set on a TD-8/9/10/12/20.)

Bruce

[gs4b]

Welcome!

You would have to pick an unused input head or rim on the TD-6 where you could assign both note number 44 and a kick sound, e.g. Tom 1 Rim or Input 6 Aux. (You can't make use of percussion sets on a TD-6 as the sounds for note 44 would be fixed; on a TD-8/9/10/12/20 a user percussion set would be easier.)

You could try setting the note number for Tom 1 Rim (R04) to 44 at KIT, EDIT, CONTROL, Note No. and then set a kick sound there at KIT, EDIT, INST.

But I think you would also need to set hi-hat note numbers to a different range by changing the hi-hat head (H03) from 46 to 60.

(Use Shift with the arrow buttons to reach R04 and H03.)

And you would need to do this for each kit on the TD-6! (which you wouldn't need to do with a user percussion set on a TD-8/9/10/12/20.)

Bruce

Thanks Bruce your suggestions worked fine and yes I had to set the Hi-Hat to 60 first then set the note for a Rim etc, but as you said this would have to done for all the kits.

However, am I correct in saying this would let me progress to say a TD-12, buy dual trigger pads (PD-105 for snare, PD-85 for toms etc) and 3-way trigger symbols etc and use the same MIDI kick set-up from the HD-1 pedals to keep the kick noise down (I live in an Apartment)?

You said on the TD-12 for instance this fix around would be easier by using "user percussion set", could you expand on this please? I'm just trying to gauge if there would be any other barriers to expanding the HD-1 this way (the pedals aren't ideal but it would let me play)?

Again, Many Thanks for your help.

[BarT]

Thanks Bruce your suggestions worked fine and yes I had to set the Hi-Hat to 60 first then set the note for a Rim etc, but as you said this would have to done for all the kits.

However, am I correct in saying this would let me progress to say a TD-12, buy dual trigger pads (PD-105 for snare, PD-85 for toms etc) and 3-way trigger symbols etc and use the same MIDI kick set-up from the HD-1 pedals to keep the kick noise down (I live in an Apartment)?

You said on the TD-12 for instance this fix around would be easier by using "user percussion set", could you expand on this please? I'm just trying to gauge if there would be any other barriers to expanding the HD-1 this way (the pedals aren't ideal but it would let me play)?

Again, Many Thanks for your help.

It would be the same or easier on a TD-8/9/10/12/20.

I was forgetting that the HD-1 MIDI output channel is fixed on Channel 10, whereas the most common method of using a percussion set via MIDI is on Channel 11. You could still use a percussion set instrument so that you don't use up a spare trigger or rim for assigning the kick sound and note 44. But you would still need to change the hi-hat foot closed note number to something different.

On the other hand, a TD-12 or TD-20 has a spare kick rim which is probably unused on 99% of those modules, so that would be the obvious place to assign the note and sound for a second kick pedal via MIDI.

Best to forget I mentioned percussion sets, as on a COSM module you lose V-Edit capability there (e.g. kick muffle, head, shell, mic etc.); and you can't gain the advantage of using note 44 on a different channel from an HD-1 (so that it doesn't conflict with the hi-hat on Channel 10).

Bruce

[gs4b]

Ok sticking with the spare rim it is then, but would this still mean I would have to change for each kit on a TD-12/20? Last question for now, Thanks Again!

[BarT]

Yes, every kit I'm afraid. That's just where note numbers get assigned (for flexibility that you don't actually require in this case).

But by the time you've done it for 100 kits on a TDW-20 you'll get quick enough to do the same for all 9,900 kits on your CF card.


Bruce

[HanShake]

How about HD-1 and TD-7

Hi BarT
I have hooked my HD1 with a TD-7 via MIDI cable, and as expected I won't get double kick pedal sound. Any chance you can tell us the steps to make the HD1 left pedal trigger a kick drum note (say Instrument No 11) of the TD-7. Your instructions doesn't apply to the less advanced predecessor.
I'm a technical person but the TD-7 manual completely blew me off. Hope you can help?
Like gs4b I have another controller I can hook directly to the TD-7 so we're not losing a hi-hat controller once we assign the HD-1 left pedal to trigger a kick drum note.

[mbishop93]

In the end I just bought a TD-6kw off Ebay instead of attempting a daisy chain midi link, and that is as transportable if not more transportable than the HD-1.

@HanShake: When I tried the HD-1 with the TD-3 brain, neither the high-hat pedal or the kick pedal could produce the kick sound

[HanShake]

HD-1 with TD-7

My setup for the two modules is via MIDI cable.
Ok, I know I can't use the left pedal directly on the TD7 as a double bass setup as it won't trigger so what I did was map my extra FD7 with kick drum instrument/note.
The FD7 is directly connected to the TD7 module on its usual socket which is as a hi-hat controller. Apparrently this stroke of genius wasn't so smart after all because now I have two hi hat controllers such that when I kick the FD7 even though I get a kick drum sound my I also get a closed hi-hat sound when I strike the hi-hat.
How do I turn off the FD7 from controlling the hi-hat and still get a kick drum sound, any ideas?

[gs4b]

Hanshake,

I can't help you with the TD-7 as I have no experience of that module, however I can confirm that Bart's suggestion for mapping the MIDI notes does work on the TD-6V and the TD-12. I have up-graded to the TD-12 and I'm triggering the hi-hat using an FD-8 but have mapped my HD-1 pedals through midi to the bass drum head and the bass drum rim that allows me to have double kick. In order to do this I had to change the MIDI note for the kick rim on the TD-12 to 44 but also turned off the MIDI notes for the hi hat pedal 45 on the module. This works pretty well although if I hit the open Hi Hat then play the left kick this chokes the HI Hat. I have got past this by triggering one of the HD-1 CY-5 cymbals as a closed Hat when I play double kick so it is not a real problem for me. There maybe a fix round this, Bart would you know how to set this up so the left kick pedal doesn't interact with the Hi Hat (note I have also turned off the midi notes for the HI Hat cymbals)? If you can map your midi notes then you should
be able to use the HD-1 pedals as twin kicks with your FD-7 on the Hi Hat. When I did this on the TD-6 I had to change the HI Hat midi to 60 to make this work.

Anyway it is worth trying as I now have a great TD-12 KIT with 4 x PD85 Toms, PD105 snare, 2 x CY-12R/C cymbals (that I had to do the fix to get the bell to work) and CY-5/FD-8 Hi Hat, + triggering all the pads and CY-5s from the HD-1 through MIDI and double kick that are quiet that lets me play in my apartment. So you can up-grade the HD-1 with a bit of invention.