VH11 lifeless

[claret]

Hi All
This is my first post. Just gone over to the TD12KV from the TD3 wich i had for 3yrs and loved. The biggest let down for me with TD12 is the Hihat (VH11) Just wondered what other people think? It seems really unresponsive and just lifeless, ive tried all the sensitivity and threshold settings amongst others but its still the same totally ****, this can`t be right. Im wishing i still had the TD3 a bit now, please help.

[Sook]

Hey claret
I'm going to the TD-6 from the TD-12 (has a TD-3 for 6 months and like you luved it), the thing I'll miss the most is the thing you have issues with, we had a top drummer over and he said he could get a better feel with the CY-5 (I think it is) on the TD-6 than the VH-11, that surprised me a bit. I'll be buying a new VH-11 for the TD-6 myself. You could always trade in the VH-11 and get a few buks. Personally I'd wait till the guys who know here tell you how to set it up.

[claret]

Thanks for that sook. Yeh im feeling realy deflated - the VH11 has totally spoiled the whole thing, its really difficult to explain. Just to make sure incase anyone asks, i have done all the manual says ie 3mm gap, i have the line between the two arrows on the trigger setting cc max at 10, cc resolution at90, sensitivity on 12, threshold 3, curve on linear, but rally i`ve messed around with the settings and it makes no difference. Just wondered if the VH12 was the same. I reallly cringe playing this hihat its a total embarrassing piece if junk Does anyone recommend any settings? also the hh stand is a big dog, pretty cheap but apparently it doesent matter much. Please save me from this misery

[BarT]

I think you meant Foot Splash Sens at +10, CC Max at 90, CC Resolution NORMAL, right? Your settings seem OK but most other people don't have the same opinion of the VH-11. So could it be the HH stand, especially if it doesn't have an adjustable strong spring?

Bruce

[claret]

The hh stand does have a spring tentioner, though there dosent seem to be much resistance even when fully adjusted. When i even slightly stick one of the CR12`s for example it triggers verys quietly and builds up etc, its fantastic, this is one of the the things the VH11 isnt doing, when sticked on the same level it will trigger then not trigger, there`s just a distinct lack of sensitivity for want of a better word. In the trigger settings there is of course a sensitivity setting, it -for me- is really a volume control! maybe ive been to used to the FD8 on the TD3. Still, its a bitter dissapointment so far.

[Blastbeats]

Are you saying that it fails to trigger soft hits? I personally found this to be the case. I think you'll find it's more to do with threshold than sensitivity. I have my sensitivity set to 10 and threshold at 0. If I repeatedly tap the pad with the minimum force to trigger a note with threshold at zero and gradually raise the threshold it starts to miss notes when it reaches 3 - which you say yours is set to.

I love my VH-11 and am more than happy with the way it performs with these settings.

[BarT]

So the problem is more with bow and edge hits than the pedal opening and closing? Is VH-11 definitely set as the trigger type for input 6 at TRIGGER, BANK as well as TRIGGER, HI-HAT? Beyond that, I can only suggest trying a different cable for the trigger output on the VH-11 and making sure that it's fully inserted at both ends. It's possible that your VH-11 is actually defective, as I think we've heard of at least a couple which were. So if you have any chance to compare it with another in a store that might help to reach a conclusion.

Blastbeats makes a good point about trying Threshold of 0 to register lighter hits more consistently.

Bruce

[claret]

Thats one of the main problems, soft strikes - it will trigger the odd one but not others, im sure i`ve tried your settings but will ive it a go. Cheers.

[claret]

Only had the kit a few days, it came straight from the makers to me but will check all cables, incidentaly i have the same problem with the KD85 on the kit, ie not registering soft hits and has no build up in volume. These are the only two things that ive issuses with, all the rest is fantastic.

[BarT]

Keep tweaking! For the kick, reducing Threshold there will also help with soft hits and reducing Sensitivity will help with dynamic range.

Bruce

[Sook]

This might turn out to be just a silly post claret, try moving it to the second control, I had to with the old 8 cymbal to make it trigger, I don't suffer any of your problems with my VH-11 so you really need to get it sorted before ditching it just to see how good it really is.

[BarT]

This might turn out to be just a silly post claret, try moving it to the second control, I had to with the old 8 cymbal to make it trigger, I don't suffer any of your problems with my VH-11 so you really need to get it sorted before ditching it just to see how good it really is.

Second control?

Bruce

[SiliconDrummer]

...The biggest let down for me with TD12 is the Hihat (VH11) Just wondered what other people think? It seems really unresponsive and just lifeless, ive tried all the sensitivity and threshold settings amongst others but its still the same totally ****, this can`t be right...

This is NOT normal. My VH-11 is very responsive to sticking, so something is wrong with your setup. What happens if you plug the cymbal pad portion of the VH-11 into your crash cymbal input or your ride cymbal input? Does it trigger better in the other inputs? Also, what happens if you plug your CY-12 into the hi-hat cymbal input jack?

If you said you were having problems with foot response, I would've said that your problem is the cheap stand with a weak spring. The VH-11 is heavy, so you need a strong spring in your hi-hat stand to lift it quickly when you let up with your foot.

-SD-

[claret]

Ok guys thanks so far, here`s where im at, ive got the thresh on 0, sens on 4, and set to Linear. Better but no where near as sensitve as the cy12`s. So as suggested i took the plug out the hh and put it in the cy12, the difference was amazing, it triggered to the slightest touch, totally perfect. So i put the Cy12 plug in the hh, back to square one. So this counts the lead out, i think the stand is ok, presumably this means the HH??? Also (sorry to include this, should have opened a new topic) its the same with the KD85, no soft hits will trigger. Surley a few days old kit cant have a faulty VH11 and KD 85?

[Sook]

Bart, I probably worded it wrong, I followed another post here about moving a cymbal to the other output (second control) and it worked (it would not trigger if I struck any another pad at the same time as the CY-8), it's the only thing there and I see you can move any drum to it.