Cymbal choke gone after cable change...

[KevH]

Hello once more my friends...

Ok, some of you will have read that I recently changed a cable to enable me to have 2 toms on the aux input on my TD6V using the split cable.
Problem no.2 has appeared today. I have lost the choke function on one of the cymbals. Is this right? I know you lose rim triggering for the toms (not a problem, I only have single trigger toms) but there's nowt in the manual about losing choke.
Cymbal 2 is fine, but cymbal 1 isn't. I swapped the cables between the 2, and the problem swapped, so it's definitely the module settings.
Can anyone shed some light on this? Thanks dudes!

[saku]

Hello once more my friends...


Cymbal 2 is fine, but cymbal 1 isn't. I swapped the cables between the 2, and the problem swapped, so it's definitely the module settings.

sorry, maybe I am being thick, but if you swapped the cables and the problem swapped, doesnt that mean the problem followed the cable?

[Michael Render]

Choke is handled by the rim trigger. If you split your cymbal input, you will lose your choke.

[BarT]

No BBCode images - grrr!

Could you explain? They work fine here as I mentioned yesterday.

Bruce

[KevH]

Could you explain? They work fine here as I mentioned yesterday.

Bruce

I wanted to put a link to my last fm page and it won't let me for some reason Bruce, sorry, I didn't spot that yesterday.

[BarT]

Is the cymbal which no longer chokes now actually on a splitter cable? ( I thought you just put two toms on a splitter cable.)

Cymbal choke requires a stereo cable. Check for TRS.

Bruce

[KevH]

Is the cymbal which no longer chokes now actually on a splitter cable? ( I thought you just put two toms on a splitter cable.)

Cymbal choke requires a stereo cable. Check for TRS.

Bruce

No, it's on a stereo cable as was before. It's the toms that are on the splitter.
BTW. I still can't display the image. It just shows as a link atm.

[saku]

No, it's on a stereo cable as was before. It's the toms that are on the splitter.
BTW. I still can't display the image. It just shows as a link atm.

Just to repeat - you said the problem swapped when you swapped the cable...doesnt that mean that the problem followed the cable? So the problem might be in cable and not the module?

[KevH]

Sorry. I swapped the cable to be sure as well, that's fine. When I moved the cables around in the module, the problem swapped to the other cymbal.
To come back to Michael, I have split the cymbal input at all, just the tom one.

[BarT]

Splitting an input for toms shouldn't affect cymbal chokes on another input. But if you've moved some pads around, perhaps you need to set correct trigger types for the inputs?

I didn't realize your BBcode images comment was specifically about images in signatures. The reason they're not allowed there is because there's a maximum size for images in signatures, as people generally get fed up with having to scroll past the same large images they've seen before.

Bruce

[Swaledale]

I'm totally lost on what input you have split or doubled up on and what type of lead/splitter you have used. Could you repost with precise details about the pads, cables and input you are referring to.

[KevH]

I'm totally lost on what input you have split or doubled up on and what type of lead/splitter you have used. Could you repost with precise details about the pads, cables and input you are referring to.

Sure.
I have gone from having my 3 toms on individual leads, to having 2 of them on a split cable (a Roland PCS31) plugged into Tom2/Aux. This is in anticipation of adding 2 more toms on another split cable next month. The other tom I use is still on it's individual lead.
Since doing this my snare sound got screwed, which I sorted, and now crash cymbal 1 does not choke.
I changed nothing on the cymbal triggers at all. The only trigger I had to change was for the tom I connected to the Aux, as it had a sound effect as it's default.
I can't fathom the cymbal thing at all. I swapped the lead over with crash 2, just to check it wasn't the cymbal trigger at fault, which it's not, so it's something in the module I guess.
I hope that's clearer, and you can help!

To Bruce, ok thanks - Grrr!

[Swaledale]

OK, so since splitting the tom2/aux connection you have lost the ability to choke crash 1 AND you have verified that the lead is OK. Let me know if that is NOT correct. And you are using a TD6 ?

1. Check the lead you have in place now to the cymbal is a stereo lead and not a mono (I've managed to do that one!)

2. Tap the BOW of your suspect cymbal on crash 2 and look at the top right corner on the display for the trigger number preceded by H for head (you can check the trigger number in the manual) ... please confirm you get H10 on the display.

3. Now tap the rim of the cymbal - the display should change to R10 and you should hear the rim sound.
Let us know if you get this, then we can move on to the next stage...or if you don't get the rim trigger we need to go through possibilities as to why you are not getting this.

[KevH]

OK, so since splitting the tom2/aux connection you have lost the ability to choke crash 1 AND you have verified that the lead is OK. Let me know if that is NOT correct. And you are using a TD6 ?

Correct.

1. Check the lead you have in place now to the cymbal is a stereo lead and not a mono (I've managed to do that one!)

Done that. I have no mono leads so not an issue.

2. Tap the BOW of your suspect cymbal on crash 2 and look at the top right corner on the display for the trigger number preceded by H for head (you can check the trigger number in the manual) ... please confirm you get H10 on the display.

No, I get H09.

3. Now tap the rim of the cymbal - the display should change to R10 and you should hear the rim sound.

I only have single zone with choke cymbals (Hart's) , so no rim trigger present.

Let us know if you get this, then we can move on to the next stage...or if you don't get the rim trigger we need to go through possibilities as to why you are not getting this.

Ok, thankyou my friend.

[KevH]

Please feel free to lambast me and parade me around the country wearing nothing but a Tutu, I had the trigger as RT-7 K instead of CY-8 - DOH! Must have been tired yesterday!
Solved then - what a numpty.