td-20, wait for td-30 or not?

[gostviper]

Yeah I know! I change my mind a lot...
first was thinking about a td-12, now a td-20... td-12 would limit me after a year due to the lack of inputs.
With all the speculation going on about the "td-30" replacing the td-20 in 2010 I don't know if it's a good idea to spend 6k on a drum set that will be replaced in 2 years.
the td-30 will probably be a big improvement over the 20, in terms of both triggers and module. I expect nothing less than the most realistic triggers on the market and the closest triggers will get compared to acoustics.

would it be better to wait another 2 years before spending over 6000$?

thanks

[saku]

quite apart from the fact that you have two-four years of not-drumming, how much more expensive will the TD-30 be? Esp if it comes with all new pads - think of the difference in price between the 12 and the 20, will it be that much more, or even more? Esp if you want the top of the line pads...and we dont know if it IS coming in 2010 or 2011, beginning of the year, end of the year, will it come at all, or will Roland suddenly decide to make a VST - or buy toontrack...

Personally, I would prefer to drum for those years, and then think about saving up for a new module, think about upgrading pads, etc.

and I think you should drum with the inputs you have before worrying about needing more!

[gostviper]

thanks for your input (haha pun) saku

the thing is, I've been playing A's for a long time, and my setup is something I really care about.
that being said, I like to have 2 crashes on my left, one splash/stax somewhere, a china, a ride, and at least a crash on the right of the kit "for the ride" so when I'm using the ride, I don't have to go across the whole set to get a crash sound.

I'd like to replicate that on the electronic set, and I'd also like to have at least 4 toms (2x2, 3x1). a td-12 would limit me to 4 toms, 2 crash 1 chinese and a ride. leaving me with no 2nd crash on my left, no splash...

anyone would give me their thoughts?
thanks

[saku]

thanks for your input (haha pun) saku

the thing is, I've been playing A's for a long time, and my setup is something I really care about.
that being said, I like to have 2 crashes on my left, one splash/stax somewhere, a china, a ride, and at least a crash on the right of the kit "for the ride" so when I'm using the ride, I don't have to go across the whole set to get a crash sound.

I'd like to replicate that on the electronic set, and I'd also like to have at least 4 toms (2x2, 3x1). a td-12 would limit me to 4 toms, 2 crash 1 chinese and a ride. leaving me with no 2nd crash on my left, no splash...

anyone would give me their thoughts?
thanks

Well, you could probably buy an extra 12 or 20 module for the price the 30 would cost--- you could always add a TMC, too. or two...And there is always the short cut (I admit, having more inputs and the best module is the best thing, I am just searching for ways to get you up and e-drumming as quickly and cheaply as possible), of assigning different rim sounds...ie instead of having a 3rd tom rim sound, you could assign it to be the sound of a 4th tom, assign the ride rim to be a splash, etc..I know i know, this means modifying your acoustic playing technique - but life is about compromises...

The 12 costs about 3200 USD, the 20, about 6000 - and I recall you are in Canada, so it's more expensive...will the 30 with new pads be about 9K? In the US.

Or will a miracle happen, and the price of both hardware and software decrease, and Roland give away the 30's to all posters with at least 2000 posts at that time??

[gostviper]

I want full cosm, so no tmc

[flurbs]

...With all the speculation going on about the "td-30" replacing the td-20 in 2010 I don't know if it's a good idea to spend 6k on a drum set that will be replaced in 2 years...

What speculation is that? Have I missed something?


I suspect that the TD20 won't be replaced until at least January 2011 - NAMM 2009 will be the first appearance of the TDW20 card at the winter trade show, and I can't see it being made reduntant 12 months after that.

[Alan VEX]

2 years?! I doubt that. I'd rather play drums now.

[Picksorsticks]

Who knows how much more the TD-30 will cost??

At some point (I'm probably WAY past there with my TD-12 based kit) you start reaching the "point of diminishing returns".

Ultimately it's you (or sadly in my case, me) on the throne. The world's worst drummer will suck behind a TD-60, someone who's talented could make magic with 5 gallon pails and pie tins.

You could get a lesser module(TD-12 or TD-20), add a TD-3 to give you more cymbals. It seems like you are going to spend a LOT of $$$ just to get a couple more cymbals.

You can put together a very nice kit for much less than $6000. You could duplicate my kit, add a TD-3 and get a couple more cymbals and have $$$$$ to burn.

[RAJ]

Thats a tough call there mate...
But the reality is clear, i wouldn't want to be waiting 2 or even 3 years just to play/buy the TD30... Why not buy/play now and save later... I mean you wouldn't really be asking this question if you didn't already have the money to invest in vdrums anyways....

[V(ader)DRUMMER]

Dude, you have to start somewhere. If you used that kind of logic for every major purchase, you'd never be able to buy anything! Cars, televisions, computers, cameras and, yes, e-drums, etc. -- every new model will likely be an advancement, but sitting around worrying about what may or may not be available in two or three years is just silly.

If you have the budget for a TD-20, go buy one (or two). If the mythical TD-30 appears on the market in two years, sell off the TD-20(s) and trade up.

[swgeorge2]

and

just think how long it took them to release the expansion board for the td-20. If that's any indication I'd say u won't see a td-30 until around 2012. And by then, the mayans say the world will come to an end, so..... your definately better off buying now and enjoying life for the next 4 yrs

[gostviper]

hehe 12/21/12... poor mayans, they only predicted the day Rush will retire

see that 2112 thingy?
That's probably why they refered to 12/21/12 as the end of the world too

[RAJ]

In a nutshell, yep...
Drum to happiness now dude and torture yourself no more!!

[Blastbeats]

I want full cosm, so no tmc

You can have full COSM. By forsaking the tom rims and cymbal bows (ride and hats excluded of course) I am managing to run this setup with a TD-12 and TD-3 module. The TD-3 is triggering the TD-12 module sounds via MIDI.

Kick.
Snare (head, edge & rim).
Hats (bow, edge & pedal).
Ride (bow, edge & bell).
Toms x 5.
Cowbell.
Crash x 3.
China x 3.
Splash x3.

A total of 19 kit pieces with full COSM on all of them. Job done!

[Fullback32]

What's is this, how you say....TD-30?