Working behind too loud guitarist.

[Harley]

Ok guys and gals, This is my first Electronic kit (photos to follow) .I have 4 acoustic kits,but I want them to hear the toms too.What do I need to play out at clubs behind two loud guitarist.Do I need an amp or powered bass bin? Does it need to go through the PA? Either or both.Is there a special bag for the rack,I know there is for the pads and brain.Thanks from the newbie

[stickinthemud]

Welcome to the forum!

The search feature here will lead you to numerous post on the subject of amplification, which has been covered quite extensively.

Whether to use your own dedicated amp or go through the PA depends a lot on how much load the PA is under already. Drums demand a lot, and the overheat circuitry often drops the bass to avoid damaging the unit.

Rack bags are available. Check the various on-line suppliers.

[Fullback32]

Beat your guitar player with a rubber hose...it always worked for me. Go through both. Hook your module into a good, powerful amp, then send it out to the PA. Hell, that's what the guitar does. Why not you?

[JrummerJ]

If your PA will handle it, I would run it through the PA for the audience and then get 1 or 2 speakers to place on stage for you and the others to hear the drums. Maybe a bass shaker on the throne if you really want to feel the low end!

J

[evil1rox]

I do the the series thing (amp to PA) and it works well.

Only have a kc350 on stage for monitoring and then out to PA for the house.

-the guitarists in my band are apparently deaf too... one thing that helped me was to keep tunring up on a really crappy setting...."Sorry guys, I can't hear myself over your amps"...eventually they took the hint.

E

[lysis]

my personal opinion is the more stuff you have, the better. remember, drums are not only heard, but felt too. your best bet would be to get something like a bass stack - 1x15 and a 4x10 with a nice powerful head to jack in to. get two stacks like that, then you can run left channel to stage left, right channel to stage right, and then your drums would be in stereo.

[Harley]

Thanks guys,Seems like everyone has the pretty close to the same answer.A friend of mine who has been using an acoustic kit rigged w/ triggers says he uses a 450 watt Beringer head on a bass cab w/ a 15 woofer and another speaker (sorry I forgot the size),He says a 250 watt head should be enough?He says he puts it either behind or beside him,for him and the band and a line out to the PA for the mains.

[lysis]

I have a 15" Kustom cab and a Behringer head 2x250 watt (I haven't purchased another cab yet) but I assure you that a similar setup would probably do quite well. The only reason I recommend another cab would be for cymbals and snare - the 15" cab that I have doesn't have any mids or his.

[Some Day Grey]

...What do I need to play out at clubs behind two loud guitarist...

I don't know what kind of pipes you run on that Harley of yours, but I have Supertrapp Mean Mothers on my (main ride) Springer.

Myself, I'd just explain to them that their guitars are too loud - then shove their heads down one at a time so that each ear is at the end of each pipe, and redline the bike like it's on a dyno test run.

After that, I'm sure each of those guitar players would be compliant with their guitar volumes - and to anything I ran with my drums' amplification.

But, that's just me...

[Fullback32]

I have a 15" Kustom cab and a Behringer head 2x250 watt (I haven't purchased another cab yet) but I assure you that a similar setup would probably do quite well. The only reason I recommend another cab would be for cymbals and snare - the 15" cab that I have doesn't have any mids or his.

Definitely agree with this. A 1x15 cab alone won't get the job done. Add a 4x10 to it. My set up goes through a 4x10 cab with a Peavey 700W head.

[evil1rox]

Thanks guys,Seems like everyone has the pretty close to the same answer.A friend of mine who has been using an acoustic kit rigged w/ triggers says he uses a 450 watt Beringer head on a bass cab w/ a 15 woofer and another speaker (sorry I forgot the size),He says a 250 watt head should be enough?He says he puts it either behind or beside him,for him and the band and a line out to the PA for the mains.

I'm not a speaker genius so forgive me if I'm a little off...but you might want to consider crossovers to make sure you're sending low frequencies to the low cab and highs to the high cab...so to speak.

E