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Any possibility of a new TD-12 for the Summer NAMM?

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  • Any possibility of a new TD-12 for the Summer NAMM?

    It has been five years. Maybe they whacked the TD-8, so that they could move the TD-10 down to its slot. This would make room for a new top-tier module.

    This is mostly wishful thinking on my part, but it could turn out to be true. Roland never lets the cat out of the bag before an event. Let's keep our fingers crossed.

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    My guess is 2-3 years. R & D is big $$. and they want to milk us with tid bits.

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    • #3
      2-3 years? As in hawking the TD-10 for 7-8 years? That would be terrible!

      They already have had all they have needed for years, so R&D should be minimal. There would be little to no need to change the pads (except maybe designing a ride that doesn't require user mods and offer a black as a color choice ), and the system functions that are in the TDW-1 could be built into the unit. Throw in a few expansion slots (5080 has eight) and sample playback (WAV, AIFF, Roland, AKAI again seen in the 5080), add an R-BUS port and maybe even a SPDIF output. Keep all of the existing features like positional sensing and such, simmer for 10 minutes and VOILA!!

      They introduced their first kit in '92. Five years later they dropped the original V-drums. Between the two they had different models and upgrades (TD-7, TD-7 Turbo, TD-5). We've seen the models and upgrades portion, but where's the new module?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by bigswole31
        There would be little to no need to change the pads
        The v-cymbals are fine (except for the ride bell as you pointed out, along with the wear factor on the rubber striking surface) but the mesh pads leave a lot to be desired IMHO. The feel is OK (could be better) but there is one major problem with all Roland mesh pads that cannot be overlooked: the hot spot. I have all but given up on finding a solution to this problem aside from simply aiming off-center, i.e. not striking the "blue dot" ever (a ridiculous solution, to be sure). I know that others have had success in this department, but after a year and a half with my v's, and many, many hours spent tweaking the module and head tension in attempts to eliminate the hot spot, I have not even *come close* to achieving an acceptable result. (I am well aware that certain very credible people on this board have been able to eliminate the hot spot through module tweaking, but I remain convinced that the root of the problem lies in the physical design of the pad itself.)
        Last edited by ufotofu; 07-03-02, 10:39 AM.
        Roland TD-20 v1.08, various v-drums and v-cymbals, Yamaha KP65's, Axis pedals, Gibraltar hardware, Mackie 1202/SRM450 (pre-china)

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        • #5
          Sorry guys but roland has said to me at least 3 times that the td-10 had a life of 10 years.

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          • #6
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            Originally posted by ufotofu


            The v-cymbals are fine (except for the ride bell as you pointed out, along with the wear factor on the rubber striking surface) but the mesh pads leave a lot to be desired IMHO. The feel is OK (could be better) but there is one major problem with all Roland mesh pads that cannot be overlooked: the hot spot.
            Several times I have recently heard implications that the V-Cymbal rubber will wear out. As far as I can tell, this is fiction and not fact. I realize they are still fairly new, but has anyone worn or come close to wearing out the V-Cymbal rubber? I would not expect this to be the case considering it's not everyday I read about the rubber on the PD-7 or 9 wearing out. Why are people expecting this to be a problem? (I am particularly referring to the top of the line V-Cymbals and not the economy models. I really don't expect either one to wear out but assume cost cutting could conceivably cause them to use an inferior covering.)

            Up until recently, I have not had a hot spot and have posted such over the past couple years (although some snares respond quite differently than others). Last week my snare was giving me trouble. I swapped it with the large tom, retensioned the head (normal tension) and now neither has the problem. I don't understand why some people are so plagued with this problem with new equipment. I suspect tuning really tight might contribute to settings anomolies since that is the only thing I have recently fooled with. The swap was because, at 3 yrs +, it seemed like the thing to do. I still have the original cones. Maybe we should be comparing trigger settings and stuff.
            Kit Pic 1 Kit Pic 2 Kit Pic 3... And FOR SALE I have: 3 PD-9's, MDS-10 purple rack w/cables/pad and cym mounts. See classified posts for details or PM me.

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            • #7
              They will not upgrade until some unseats them on the marketplace, this has not happened yet. The only company that can do this right now is Yamaha and they just might do it. IMO the DTEXTREME is pretty much there already in sound quality. It has some other advantages as well like more inputs and Smart Media card storage media. Its way less expensive already and all it would take is some tweaking and no more TD-10.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Boingo
                Several times I have recently heard implications that the V-Cymbal rubber will wear out. As far as I can tell, this is fiction and not fact.
                I wish I had a digital camera so I could show you exactly what I'm talking about. The rubber on the v-cymbals starts to "chip away" on the areas struck most consistently, i.e. the bow of the hi-hat and ride and to a lesser extent the edges of the v-cymbals used for crash. It is not a problem that affects playability or triggering performance, so I am not really concerned with it. I can live with the cosmetic faults as long as the pads work properly. But I can verify that it (the wear) most definitely happens, and eventually becomes very obvious with the correct angle of light. The PD-7/9 pads do not have the same problem as you have noted, at least for the time that I was playing them (about half a year). Those pads will "scuff" but can be easily wiped clean with a wet cloth making them look almost new. I think the v-cymbals use a different type of rubber. In my experience wood tips cause more wear than nylon tips, but they both definitely cause wear.

                My PD-120 snare has actually been collecting the black rubber chips which fall off the hi-hat! On the mesh head near the rim I can see these little black rubber chips which bounce around as I play the snare. For a while I was wondering where they came from, until I realized it was the "shavings" of the CY-12RC I use for hi-hat. What's really ironic is that I am a very light hitter compared to most other drummers.
                Last edited by ufotofu; 07-03-02, 09:51 PM.
                Roland TD-20 v1.08, various v-drums and v-cymbals, Yamaha KP65's, Axis pedals, Gibraltar hardware, Mackie 1202/SRM450 (pre-china)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Boingo
                  Maybe we should be comparing trigger settings and stuff.
                  Alright, but don't tell Feefer.

                  When I get home from work I will list my trigger settings. But like I said I have just about exhausted my efforts, having already tweaked and tweaked and tweaked with no acceptable result. If it's been suggested on vdrums.com, I've tried it. That Hart Pro snare is looking more appealing every day (toms too)...
                  Last edited by ufotofu; 07-03-02, 09:53 PM.
                  Roland TD-20 v1.08, various v-drums and v-cymbals, Yamaha KP65's, Axis pedals, Gibraltar hardware, Mackie 1202/SRM450 (pre-china)

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                  • #10
                    I plan to attend the Summer NAMM in Nashville and I will attempt to gather literature and give a summary report on Roland, Yamaha and the "accessory" companies like Pintech and Hart.
                    I'm a drummer. I don't play the timpani! Hire a percussionist!!!

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                    • #11
                      I plan to do the same.

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                      • #12
                        Maybe I will see you there! I am driving there Friday from Paducah, Kentucky. I plan to be there Saturday also.
                        I'm a drummer. I don't play the timpani! Hire a percussionist!!!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by clymore
                          Maybe I will see you there! I am driving there Friday from Paducah, Kentucky. I plan to be there Saturday also.
                          Maybe, I will be there Saturday and Sunday. I will be researching a lot of Recording and Pro Audio most of the time but I always make the rounds to the E-Drum booths. Have you been before? The Nashville show is getting pretty big. If you can afford it go to an Anaheim show one year. If you like gear its a pretty awesome spectacle. Roland is huge and Yamaha usually has its own building. Also many of the cooler obscure custom companies show up. Most of them don't bother to come to Nashville, althought that has changed some in the last few years.

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                          • #14
                            This will be my first NAMM. I have seen the exhibiter's list and the show layout. It is pretty big.
                            I'm a drummer. I don't play the timpani! Hire a percussionist!!!

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                            • #15
                              Guess what?? do not expect a new td-12 module-""I WISH"""---
                              the roland team that came around and did some demos on the ""V's"" and other roland equipment, said NO to this idea----but maybe that has changed..........................NOT!!!

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