VH12 in TD7 problem

[phatstadt]

I want to use a VH12 into my TD7 into BFD2 in ProTools. My problem is that the TD7 is unable to send the "chick" Pedal Note (G#1) when I close the VH12. If I use the MD7 pedal and the VH12 as a "dumb" cymbal without a pedal, then the TD7 handles the Pedal note and CC#4 range to control the hi-hat open-close range perfectly. Here is a detail of the MIDI messages that the TD7 sends to BFD2 under two different tests.

* First with the VH12 used for the Control MIDI connexion via TRS into the Hi-Hat Ctrl of the TD7 :
A: Press pedal from open to close: Note ON F#1 (Cymbal) then CC#4 from 0 to 35 then Note OFF F#1
B: When hit cymbal with pedal still closed: Note ON F#1 / Noe OFF F#1
C: When releasing pedal: CC#4 from 25 to 0

* Second, using the VH12 for the cymbal and a Roland MD7 pedal for the Hi-Hat Control into the TD7:
A: Press pedal from open to close: Note ON G#1 (Pedal) then CC#4 from 0 to 127
B: When hit cymbal with pedal still closed: Note OFF G#1 / Note ON F#1 / Note OFF F#1
C: When releasing pedal: CC#4 from 127 to 0

What I conclude from this is that the TD7 is quite capable of sending CC#4 up to 127 with the MD7 pedal, and further, it is capable of sending the pedal note G#1 (chick). With the VH12, the CC#4 range drops from 0 to 30, and it is not able to send the Pedal note at all.
Does this mean that the MD7 pedal has some "intelligence" that the VH12 does not have, or is it that the combination MD7+TD7 somehow works, whereas the TD7 cannot really process otherwise similar information that the VH12 is sending it?
Lastly, would the TMC-6 be able to send the Pedal G#1 note, and hopefully a wider range? The range is not a deal breaker, but lack of sending the Pedal note clearly is.
I worked out a deal with Sweetwater whereby I ordered a TMC-6, and I can return it if it does not handle the VH12 correctly. I'll post my findings.
In the meantime, if anyone has any ideas about this, please let me know what else I could try. I know the TD7 is an "old" unit, and I know Roland says that the VH12 only works with the TD12 or TD20, but it's such a shame to have to spend $1,500 or $2,000 when all I want is to get the VH12+TD7 to send the correct MIDI message.

Thanks

[BarT]

The resistance range of a VH-12 is different from other pedals (what's an MD7?): How to adapt the VH-12 Hi-Hat with TD-10 module

A TMC-6 would not handle a VH-12 any better than any other module which doesn't have the VH12 mode of a TD-12 or TD-20.

The VH-12 manual does clearly state on the front cover that a TD-12 or TD-20 is required.

FAQ: Which sound modules are compatible with the VH-11 / VH-12 / FD-8 / FD-7?




Bruce

[BarT]

Didn't we do this a month ago anyway?:

Would using the TMC-6 prevent me from using the full features of the new trigger pads I mention above?

Only for the VH-12 which only works with a TD-12/20.

Bruce

[phatstadt]

Except that a month ago, I had not run the MIDI message test with the other pedal to see what notes are sent.

[Relayer]

I've read your posts over at the FXpansion forum, where you indicated that this was a BFD2 problem. You're going to have to face the fact that the VH-12 is not gonna work with a TD-7. This not a BFD2, VH-12 or TD-7 issue, it's just a case of incompatibile hardware - it happens.

I'm assuming you mean you have an FD-7 when you say MD-7. Take the TD-12 back to the store and get a little CY-5 and your problems will go away.

Good luck.

Steve

EDIT: you may want to give the VH-11 a try. It works very well with my TD-6.

[BarT]

Except that a month ago, I had not run the MIDI message test with the other pedal to see what notes are sent.

OK; since you've managed to refine your question, I'll refine my answer:

No; a TMC-6 would not be able to send the Pedal G#1 note, or a wide range of CC#4 numbers, when used with a VH-12.


Bruce