TD9 and PD8 pads not triggering the rims

[almazza]

I upgraded the the sound module from my TD3SW kit to a TD-9 sound module. I thought this module supports dual triggering of the PD-8 pads. For some reason I can't seem to get a separate trigger from the rim. On the TD-9 screen I don't even see it registered as a rim shot? I've checked and made sure my pads are set to PD8 in setup. Anyone know if this should work?

Thank You

Adam

[BarT]

That should work, but would need a stereo TRS cable. Are you using the multi-connector cable which came with the module?

I think you mean PD8 for the setting, not PD9. Do your CY-5 and CY-8 cymbals produce separate rim sounds OK?


Bruce

[almazza]

I am using the cable that came with the TD-9. Yes I did mean PD8. I actually haven't noticed/checked the cymbals.

How do the PD8s, CY5s, and CY8s produce the seperate sounds, is it a MIDI velocity thing, or is a separate MIDI note send for the separate area?

Thanks

Adam

[SuperPuss]

I'm not sure if the TD9 is the same but I am using PD8's as toms on my TD12 and I get no rim clicks when set to PD8. If I set the pads to PD85, I get rim sounds from my PD8's.

[almazza]

Thanks, I will give that a try.

Adam

[BarT]

How do the PD8s, CY5s, and CY8s produce the seperate sounds, is it a MIDI velocity thing, or is a separate MIDI note send for the separate area?

They all have a ribbon switch on the edge which produces an extra signal on the ring part of the TRS pad output jack. It's not velocity and MIDI notes are are only produced at/after the module as a result of receiving trigger signals.

I'm not sure if the TD9 is the same but I am using PD8's as toms on my TD12 and I get no rim clicks when set to PD8. If I set the pads to PD85, I get rim sounds from my PD8's.

There's no logical reason why you shouldn't get rim sounds from a PD-8 set to PD8 on any TD-12 input.


Bruce

[almazza]

Thanks, so essentially the rim and head on a PD-8 can each trigger a different MIDI note. That's what I am hoping. I don't really want tom rims sounds was hoping to map it so something else.

Thanks

Adam

[ige87]

Midi has nothing to do with triggering inside the module. It is not midi which causes the module to make sounds, it is the triggers that, well, trigger the sound and the midi note is generated at the same time. Also, yes, you can have different sounds like cowbells, tambs, etc set to the rims. You can also have the rims transmit different midi notes to the heads, but that doesn't affect the sounds the module makes, the midi and sounds are separate, mutually exclusive items.

[almazza]

Yes I understand that, I meant that pad sends a signal and the module converts the signal to a midi note which is associated with a sound.

Adam

[almazza]

Just tried my CY8 cymbals, and they trigger on the rims. I also did a factory reset to the TD9, and tried changing the PD8 pad setting to PD85 (and every other possibility) no go. I re-seated the cabled also. Can anyone else with a TD9 verify that they can trigger the rims on the PD8s?

Thanks

Adam

[SIZZLE]

Did you do what Bart said, make sure your using a stereo TRS cable?

[almazza]

Yeah, the TD9 comes with it's own cabling.....

Of course I just called Roland's tech support and with them on the phone I was able to get the rims to trigger, I really have to bash the pads though. Oh well, I feel dumb. Thanks

Adam

[TNT]

Try raising the sensitivity and/or lowering the threshold of the rims.

You shouldn't have to "bash" them to get them to trigger.

[SuperPuss]

Yeah, the TD9 comes with it's own cabling.....

Of course I just called Roland's tech support and with them on the phone I was able to get the rims to trigger, I really have to bash the pads though. Oh well, I feel dumb. Thanks

Adam

If you are comfortable with a simple DIY, you could try my PD8 dual piezo mod. That will significantly improve the rim response of your PD8's. In their stock form, the rims are switches and take a little force to trigger and they will not provide dynamics on the rims (switches are either on or off).
If you click on the PD8 dual piezo mod link in my signature, I have a a video of how much this simple mod improves them along with some diagrams explaining the steps. It is actually pretty simple to do and doesn't take long. You'd need to be comfortable with DIY though.
Even if you do not do the mod, have a look at the video and see if your pads are responding in a similar way to my un-modded one.

[flurbs]

Midi has nothing to do with triggering inside the module. It is not midi which causes the module to make sounds...

Can you elaborate? Are you saying that Roland modules use impulse triggering?