New amp versus the crappy PM-3??

[BOOM]

What do you guys think?? TDA-700,is this amp really going to be worth it this time?? The PM-3 was the biggest piece of junk untill I completely changed all the actuall speakers that where provided-No doubt it was a great idea and also great looking piece of gear-But it ended up being a rip?? So do you guys think it will be worth the time and money??I know maybe no-one has used it yet-but it still remains a big question??

[This message has been edited by BOOM (edited April 26, 2002).]

[kreja]

FYI -- the PM-3 (Personal Monitor) was designed to be a monitor for you, not amp the drums. That seems to be a familiar misunderstanding I keep finding on this site...

Just my opinion.

[Dale]

Very true. I have been very happy with my PM3. It's been perfect for my needs.

Originally posted by kreja:
FYI -- the PM-3 (Personal Monitor) was designed to be a monitor for you, not amp the drums. That seems to be a familiar misunderstanding I keep finding on this site...

Just my opinion.

[puttenvr]

Originally posted by kreja:
FYI -- the PM-3 (Personal Monitor) was designed to be a monitor for you, not amp the drums.

Yeah, the Vdrums were designed to wash dishes, not to be e-drums.

Come on, this is ridiculous!!! When Roland introduces an sound system for that amount of money, people DO and MAY expect something from it, not? Or is the PM3 designed for drummers who live in houses so large that they need a monitor to smooth the room's reverb?

BOOM, If I where you I won't get fooled again.

[kreja]

Originally posted by puttenvr:
Yeah, the Vdrums were designed to wash dishes, not to be e-drums.

Come on, this is ridiculous!!! When Roland introduces an sound system for that amount of money, people DO and MAY expect something from it, not? Or is the PM3 designed for drummers who live in houses so large that they need a monitor to smooth the room's reverb?

BOOM, If I where you I won't get fooled again.

Look... all you have to do is look at the PM3 and figure out it was never designed as a high volume solution. It is simply a practice/monitor for the kit so you don't have to play with headphones. The new amp (TDA-700) is obviously designed to drive the volume for performance purposes... look at the specs -- 100 watts on the PM3 with 50w satellites (again, PM stands for Personal Monitor) vs. 300w on the TDA-700.

I am not a spokesman for Roland. But I have seen a lot posts slamming the PM3. I took one look at the description of the PM3 and its intended purpose was clearly obvious.

Anyway, that's my take.

[gingerbaker]

From Putt:

"Yeah, the Vdrums were designed to wash dishes, not to be e-drums."

I don't think this is true. I've tried to get my dishes clean using many Roland products, and they all suck.

Would the ddrum work better?

[Schmunk]

Kreja is correct, the P(ersonal) M(onitor) 3 is not for sound reinforcement, it's for monitoring. Yes, it's quite expensive, but Roland gear is expensive, we all know that.

In an ideal situation, one would have a PM-3 to hear yourself with (practicing or live) and then extra reinforcement for the rest of the band and the audience when playing live. Of course, many people can't afford that, so will use high-powered PA speakers for combined monitoring and PA.

You don't ever need anything louder than the PM-3 for monitoring (tinnitus, tinnitus), but you will need something louder than the PM-3 if you plan to play to more than just yourself or your band.

[puttenvr]

Originally posted by gingerbaker:
Would the ddrum work better?

Unfortunately they don't like water either.

[BOOM]

I do completely agree and know what the PM-3 is for-but to be honest with the people who own one-have you ever tried to raise the volume levels-alot of un-wanted distortion-anyhow-like I said, Take out the time and money to invest in new speakers for it and-"""FINALLY!!!!"""" it is now worth it-it actually pumps like it was intended for-I use and have a full pa speaker set-up for the drums-But I bought the Pm3-because it was intended for the V's-Ill buy pretty much anything roland makes that I could use-I just think they should of spent more time on the selection of speakers for the damm thing!! Oh WE:LL:

[Woody]

The PM-3 is used for monitoring yourself in a gig situation where an acoustic set would be heard when you hit them.
It was designed to use for you to hear yourself, as you do an acoustic set, when you play.
You could also wear headphones and achieve the same results, or even better sounding results, or a combination of both.
If you read the specs describing it, you'll notice that it says for small clubs, etc....
It wasn't designed for the audience to hear you when playing a large arena, stadium, etc......
For that you would run it through more powerful amplification. Such as a PA system with monitoring for the rest of the band to hear the E-drums as well.

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Woody

[Steve Gardner]

Man, this topic has been beat to death. I have one. It does not give enough volume for your bandmates to hear. It is NOT an adequate stage monitor. I will sell mine for $500 to anyone here interested...I will then go buy an amp that I can here AND my band mates can hear. We play small clubs....its not enough WITH the P.A, as the house source. You need to have s tage amp for the band to hear as well as run through the bands or house system. this thing is for you and you alone...Its great for that.....Come get it!

[Schmunk]

Originally posted by Steve Gardner:
It is NOT an adequate stage monitor.

Your stage levels are too high.

[puttenvr]

Originally posted by Schmunk:
Your stage levels are too high.

Ever played on stage? With a guitarist?

[Steve Gardner]

Schnunk spewed:"Your stage levels are too high"....
Probably. That has nothing to do with it. Even in a small club....this thing does not cut it. Its a "personal" montoring system...hence the name. However, it does provide value....I am seeling mine so my bandmates AND I will benefit....pretty good sales pitch I am delivering, eh?

[Woody]

I suppose it depends on what type of application you are using the pm-3 for.
If you're trying to compete with a stack of Marshall amps, it ain't gonna cut it, but, if your band has a sense of dynamics and knows how to control the volume level then, yes, it may work out alright.
Some bands have more dynamics than constant fortissimo.
Some don't.

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Woody