Does the TDW-1 a major difference for the toms

[Lars]

Hi there,

I have just a TD10 V-drum kit and I am not completely satisfied with the toms. Still sounds a little too much like digital sampling when you roll 'em. I am very impressed with the snare.

Anyway, I am considering to buy the TDW-1 expansion-card. Will the tom sounds and the triggering dynamic of the toms be improved with the TDW-1? (I am looking for more natural acoustic tom-sound)

[Steveo the Devo]

Yes

[GRRAVEE]

yes...........now turn your sensitivity down to about 8 or so my brudda........tdw-1 rocks

[Daddy0]

Don't forget that you get about 20 more sets of toms with the TDW-1. I especially like the Rosewood set.
It seems to me that the TDW-1 gives better positional sensing as well. The sound changes smoothly from the edge of the tom to the center, with a well-defined "sweet spot". You need to play around with the scan time a bit to your own liking.

[gingerbaker]

It also seems to me that there is better velocity modulation (?) with the TDW-1. If you do, say, a three note roll on a tom, with the last note accented, it really sounds like a real tom - the last note is not just louder, but is longer and "rounder" sounding. Really quite an improvement from the TD-10 - go for it!

[puttenvr]

Yes and No.

The TDW-1 has better sounds than the unexpanded TD-10. Better dynamics and sensitivity, too. But there were some problems with the raised triggering settings as well when the tdw-1 came out - use the search engine.

So - in general - the things all the other members say are true.

But if you're looking for a more "natural acoustic tom-sound" then you may be disappointed again. I was ...

[gingerbaker]

Jeez, Putt, are you saying the ddrum tom sounds are that much better than the TDW-1?

I'm going to NYC next month for a meeting--I have GOT to find a drum store with a ddrum set up so I can hear that. (Have yet to hear a ddrum! - hey it's Vermont)

I have to say I am pretty sceptical - my tom sounds with the TDW-1 are pretty darned good even when I listen to them solo and critically.

Then again, I do tend to trust your judgement. After all, the Dutch have GOT to know something beyound tulips, cheese and beer, don't they?

[Jimmy C]

Opinions vary, of course...FWIW, I had the TD-10 w/ TDW-1 for a year and eventually made the move to ddrum4. I am much happier with the ddrum tom sounds.

[Boingo]

Originally posted by Jimmy C:
Opinions vary, of course...FWIW, I had the TD-10 w/ TDW-1 for a year and eventually made the move to ddrum4. I am much happier with the ddrum tom sounds.

I've downloaded the ddrum samples and believe they sound more "acoustic". That's not always a good thing, but depends on the particular sample. I wonder how much difference you really hear when the rest of the band is playing along? I'll have to stroll over to ddrums.com and see if there are any mp3's posted with d's and a full band.

JimC: I'm only 2 hrs from your area. Were you able to demo the d's in a nearby music store?

[This message has been edited by Boingo (edited May 04, 2002).]

[Jimmy C]

Boingo -
I ended up buying them without a test drive. Nobody around here (Guitar Center in Rockville, MD and Chuck Levin's in Wheaton, MD) has ever carried ddrum stuff (other than the occasional ddrum trigger).

C. Jude -
For MOST people, the "cost" of such trade-offs are not worth the benefits of what are probably the most realistic, acoustic drum samples available in a standalone drum module . For SOME people like me, however, the ddrum sounds are worth the trade-offs. But I don't work for Clavia, and I don't shy away from discussing what I consider to be ddrum's shortcomings. All someone has to do is ask me .

[ufotofu]

Originally posted by c. jude:
For anyone with a sampler and no objection to theft. The ddrum sounds are all fairly readily available, and I hear there are versions floating around that are of higher quality than the module versions (which are only 16bit).

c. jude, are you suggesting what I think you're suggesting?

[Boingo]

Originally posted by Boingo:
I've downloaded the ddrum samples ... I wonder how much difference you really hear when the rest of the band is playing along? I'll have to stroll over to ddrums.com and see if there are any mp3's posted with d's and a full band.

I did a search on "mp3" and found almost nothing posted. What I did find were mostly dead links. A couple others were poor recordings and would make any kit sound bad. Found maybe 2 of any quality - not enough meat to form an opinion. Got frustrated and gave up. Curiosity died.

[puttenvr]

Originally posted by gingerbaker:
Jeez, Putt, are you saying the ddrum tom sounds are that much better than the TDW-1?

Originally posted by c.jude:
Its funny how ddrum fans always show up drilling that one point.

Originally posted by gingerbaker:
After all, the Dutch have GOT to know something beyound tulips, cheese and beer, don't they?

Originally posted by c.jude
What the ddrum folks don't want to talk about is all you give up to use slightly more natural toms.

You can talk about anything with me. I am your Phd. Sure, I sometimes miss a sequencer to jam along with, too. And tweaking sounds sometimes is great as well. But live and in studios I prefer to quickly pick up an instant sample.

Originally posted by Boingo:
I wonder how much difference you really hear when the rest of the band is playing along?

Not that much. When I listened to the Roland Vdrums along with some other instruments (live and at some demos) they sounded good to me as well. But when playing them separately...

Originally posted by c.jude
But once properly set up, the Roland product got the edge for playing, and the ddrums get the edge for sounds.

I can live with that one.

[puttenvr]

Originally posted by feefer:
I'm triggering a Yamaha XV-5080 with SRX 'Dynamic Drums' card installed,

Uhhh??

[GRRAVEE]

i've copied putts typo and i'm hatching a plan to use it someday since he does'nt make mistakes very often....... although a bribe will be difficult seeing how i don't know the dollar/dabloon ratio...or whatever you guys use for money.....lol.