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  • Are subwoofers nessesary?

    I'm buying a V-Ses. next week and I've decided on one JBL G2 15 with much help from the much loved vdrum boys (Are there any girls in here?)

    I've seen posts about vdrummers using a "good" monitor without a subwoofer and liking it.

    I thinking about getting a (better) double bass pedal, (better) throne, (better) snare stand, (new) midi box with cables, (new) sticks and a (new) pd-7 pad with the V-ses.

    After seeing the posts about "needing" a subwoofer, I'm getting a bit worried.

    Do you think getting all the equipment I mentioned, or spending $400 more (I'd like not to) for a subwoofer is the better choice in your opinion?

    Which "Upgrade package" would you consider is more "economically sound" if you consider pleasure and productivity along with the cost?

    NOTES:
    I am asking for YOUR opinion about this. I've had replies that said something like " There are a lot of different opinions between all the ppl on this forum." "Itís ultimately up to you as to what you choose."

    I'm not looking for that. Just YOUR honest, biased opinions.

    Thanks. No harsh overtones intended.

    -FC

  • #2
    Undone,
    Don't do nutin yet! If you decided on the G2 ... get it. If you don't absolutely need the other stuff right now, wait until you hear your new set with the G2. Its a great monitor and may be exactly what you want for you situation. If its not, go for the sub! If it works for you, buy the other stuff! One of the good things about the Eons and the Mackies is that you can build your system a little bit at a time.
    Good luck & have fun with your new stuff!
    Tom

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    • #3
      Undone,
      I'd personally upgrade your pedals and other stuff to what you think will help your playing first, then get a subwoofer. You don't need a subwoofer, it's just nice to have. I don't have any speakers at all, I have in-ear monitors with a bass shaker.
      You'll love your G2, they're really nice sounding speakers, and as Tom said, you can always get another speaker later on, which is what I'd personally do before getting a subwoofer anyway.

      Stu
      "Fry that sound effect, Moriarty, we're having it for breakfast"

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      • #4
        undone: I agree with mcconaghy. I am looking to get a sub only because I have already upgraded all the other stuff. I have been using 2 mackie srm 450s for monitors and they are extremly loud and punchy. I am considering the sub as a luxury item only. I certianly don't need it, but that has not stopped me from buying stuff before. Honestly I think one mackie would work fine.


        the sub should be low on the priority list.


        Kurt
        Kurt

        Pearl drums converted with hart adc, roland kd7's, pd 120 for snare, various roland rubber pads, hart e cymbals and pads, td8, td6, 2 mackie srm450s and mackie sub. mackie sr 24-4 mixer........and always growing.

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        • #5
          Thanks for the input guys. I have a feeling the one G2 will suffice for now. Maybe during next years anual upgrades I'll take another look at a subwoofer.

          -FC

          PS I was thinking about a bass shaker and headphones for monitoring too. I think the optimal placement for the G2 would be somewhere in front of the kit. I was thinking headphones as a monitor for me, but I was worried about the lack of low end from the headphones. Do you think a bass shaker would take care of that problem? If so, what kind and how much can I expect to pay for one?

          -FC again

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          • #6
            I did it backasswards.
            I got the mackie sub...then the g2...
            It was a deal I couldn't say no to.


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            Jeff, using...
            td 8,PD-120,
            pintech pads,gibraltor rack, JBL G2 EON 15 AND Mackie srs-1500, BBE 462 yamaha maple customs, remo jazz kit, buttloads of cymbals... 96 Tahoe,leather.
            The original Gig Pig.

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            • #7
              From my experiance, the JBL EON's (I have the 15PAK) will do a great job for your lows. If you're feeding to the main PA, you shouldn't need a stand alone sub-woofer. A sub woofer is IMHO, a 'want' vice a 'need' for 90% of the applications.

              A cheaper recommendation would be to get a BBE 462 (or 482, 862, 882). this sound maximizer really cleans up the highs and provides some great clarification and thump in the low end. I don't play live without it anymore.

              Good luck with your new V's, and welcome aboard.
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              • #8
                Undone - re: the bass shaker. I use mine whether I'm cranking the subwoofer or just practicing with headphones. It just creates a sonic experience (thumping kick drum) that I don't get with just a sub, unless its cranked to earth shaking levels (can you say ringing ears)!

                It just fills out the sonic experience for me. Nothing better to me than to FEEL of the kick drum. That way I can play all nite, at relatively low volume, feels lots of punch, and still not have ringing in my ears.

                In the old days, I would darn near go deaf trying to get a monitor system to have enough punch (feeling it) on the low end.



                [This message has been edited by Schuh Man (edited August 26, 2001).]

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Schuh Man:
                  Undone - re: the bass shaker. I use mine whether I'm cranking the subwoofer or just practicing with headphones. It just creates a sonic experience (thumping kick drum) that I don't get with just a sub, unless its cranked to earth shaking levels (can you say ringing ears)!

                  It just fills out the sonic experience for me. Nothing better to me than to FEEL of the kick drum. That way I can play all nite, at relatively low volume, feels lots of punch, and still not have ringing in my ears.

                  In the old days, I would darn near go deaf trying to get a monitor system to have enough punch (feeling it) on the low end.

                  [This message has been edited by Schuh Man (edited August 26, 2001).]
                  What kind do you have? How much? Where? What adapters do I need if any?

                  This and much more!

                  -FC

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                  • #10
                    Go to www.aurasound.com. Send them an e-mail and they'll give you the location of the nearest dealer. I'll track down my receipt and give you the number of the guy I got mine from in Minneapolis. Nice guy. Told me he sells a ton of these to touring drummers.

                    I've got the DSK-50 (attaches to drum throne). Don't remember what I got it for (I think $75). Unfortunately, you need power. I believe the amp that aurasound sells (amp-75) is about $75-$100(? not sure about price). I just use 1 channel of a spare alesis RA-100.

                    I run one side of TD-10 direct 1 to the mains and 1 side to the RA-100. The bass shaker attaches to the power amp like a speaker. Walla! Instant rump massage - and to the beat no less.

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                    • #11
                      I think the biggest question to answer is who needs to hear you. I have a TD-8 kit and use two self power EONS that have 15" speakers. I have noticed that this setup at full volume is about as loud as a real kit and I have used it in a small club situation before. If the monitor is for you only, I would use cheap in ear phones from one of the "marts" run a line from the headphone jack on the mixer for a full mix. If you need a stage mix get two speakers and run stereo. I place them on each side of me and the band loves it. As for subs, you can always add them later. My main goal was to get a setup that was comfortable playing about 100 gigs a year. At this moment I am using in-ear. Hope this helps. Joey

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                      • #12
                        I got the Mackie sub, and love it, but my band's P.A. is basically just for voices.

                        Everything else is generated by guitar amps on stage, so if I wanted enough thump to fill a small club I have to generate it myself.

                        We figured if we play a big place which doesn't have its own P.A., we'd just hire a sound guy who would bring his own equipment.

                        For self-monitoring or for small venue output, a single Eon or Mackie works quite well.
                        Immensely powerful yet with a liquid cat-quick elegance

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by gingerbaker:


                          For self-monitoring or for small venue output, a single Eon or Mackie works quite well.
                          How 'bout a single Roland KC-500 ? I just told my bro. I was giving him my KC once I go Mackie-450. He was happy as hell & plans on buying a keyboard for it.



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                          Thanx!
                          -Alex
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                          • #14
                            It's already been said, but I just want to add my experiences: NO

                            I own a JBL EON G2 since a few weeks and can say it's powerful and low enough for e-drums without a sub.
                            Robert

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                            • #15
                              Need it? Nope. I went with 2 450's for months and months without one. Then I got an unbelievable deal on the 1500 and I'll tell ya, I would really hate to go back. I could live without it, but I'd be frowning all the time.

                              It's not critical. But it does make a huge, huge difference.

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