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    Hey everyone, I just fell in love with the V-Session set, but it's WAY out of my league, by at LEAST a couple thousand dollars. Anyway, after a little thinking, I decided that I REALLY wanted a mesh head setup, with four toms, a snare, three cymbals, a hi-hat, a mesh head bass pad, and a roland td-10. So after looking for a little bit, I stumbled across Pintech's Tour Elite kit, which comes complete with everything I need except the td-10, and costs under $2000, which, when combined with a td-10, brings the final cost of everything to just a hair over 3k, which is far more reasonable than 5 for a v-session. Now, what's the deal with Pintech? are the triggers up to par with Roland's? There aren't any rimshot sensors on the drum shells, are there? Anyway, if anyone who's had firsthand experience with both roland and pintech shells and cymbals could let me know what their thoughts are, i'd appreciate it. Thanks.

  • #2
    Originally posted by alacrity024:
    Hey everyone, I just fell in love with the V-Session set, but it's WAY out of my league, by at LEAST a couple thousand dollars. Anyway, after a little thinking, I decided that I REALLY wanted a mesh head setup, with four toms, a snare, three cymbals, a hi-hat, a mesh head bass pad, and a roland td-10. So after looking for a little bit, I stumbled across Pintech's Tour Elite kit, which comes complete with everything I need except the td-10, and costs under $2000, which, when combined with a td-10, brings the final cost of everything to just a hair over 3k, which is far more reasonable than 5 for a v-session. Now, what's the deal with Pintech? are the triggers up to par with Roland's? There aren't any rimshot sensors on the drum shells, are there? Anyway, if anyone who's had firsthand experience with both roland and pintech shells and cymbals could let me know what their thoughts are, i'd appreciate it. Thanks.
    1.Welcome
    2.I do not have enough tiome on pintech gear to give you an homest evaluation.I use all hart stuff with my td-10.I didn't know if you had checked them out as another option.I have been more then happy with thier service and when I had a tech support issue,they were all over it.Even followed it up with a curtosy call 2 days later. www.hartdynamics.com
    just another option for you from a satisfied customer.

    bk

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    • #3
      I bought Roland's Studio Set last year and have since changed out the PD7/9 drum pads with a Pintech 10" CC101-ST for the toms and CC102-ST for the snare. The 102 is a dual zone pad vs one zone for the 101. I added "SilentRimz" a rubber rim silencer to the snare to quiet rimshot noise. The Pintechs are very well constructed and look great in the platinum vein powder coat finish. Initially, they're not as sensitive as the PD7/9 pads but once adjusted in the TD-8, they work great. The Pintech woven mesh head is a little bouncy for my taste. But I've gotten used to them and they now play just fine. It's still far better than playing rubber pads. I also purchased a Gibraltar GRS350GC rack to replace the Roland rack. I like the Gibraltar and it's rock solid. I believe the Tour Elite comes with the Gibraltar GRS rack. Some day I'll change out the snare pad to something larger. Overall, I'm really happy with the upgrade and haven't had any problems.

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      • #4
        If your budget is right around the 3 grand figure you might want to check around for a leftover V-Pro kit. I've seen these sets heavily discounted since the introduction of the newer V-Session and V-Concert kits. It doesn't come with the expansion card (that can be added later) but it has everything else you listed. Supply is quite limited so you probably should act fast. I don't own a set of V's but from reviewing the discussion at this site, the general consensus is that the Roland module performs best when used with Roland pads, especially for the snare. Good luck!
        Roland TD-12, Pearl DRX-1 tom and snare pads, Roland PD-8 pads for cymbals, DW pedals and stands, Pearl and Gibraltar hardware

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        • #5
          I agree with DougM,
          You can get a brand new V-Pro kit for about $3000. Get one while you still can...
          E-drums: TD-20, RT-5S triggers on snare/toms, KD-7s, VH12, CY-14Cs, CY-15R, Pintech splash.
          A-drums: Zickos (amber) w/ all Zildjians.

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          • #6
            In answer to your question.
            I do own a pintech set and I am pleased with it so far.
            The pads are really well made and the lifetime warranty is nice too.
            Pintech's are about half price from the rolands and I saved a lot of money which I put into a larger (14") snare from Pintech and was also able to afford a decent amplifier.
            Ultimately you must decide and while I agree that the Rolonds probably do work better with their own brains, a little tweaking and you will be happy with any good after market pad.
            I have owned a td-7 and I know it's not even close but I did get the rubber pads and the kick/hi hat to compare with so I have that as a basis.

            good luck.
            J
            The original Gig Pig.

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            • #7
              Paraphrasing a post by alacrity024:
              I just fell in love with the V-Session set, but it's WAY out of my league. How about Pintech?
              I felt just like you do and put together the following kit for my teenage son which he feels (as well as his drum teacher from Guitar Center) is very close to a true V-session. The "tour elite" pads are Pintech's white color version of the original CC101/2ST pads and not worth the extra money IMO. Here is a review of Pintech mesh heads from Modern Drummer: http://edrums.com/moderndrummer.htm
              And here is a pic of my current setup:


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              Rack: GRS350GC at Musician's Friend-see old thread for great price.
              TD-10 bought used off e-bay. Previously had an Alesis DM-5 which was simply awful!
              Roland TDW-1, CY-12HH, CY14C, CY15R all bought new - try Dwight at BPM Music
              Pintech 14" AX13S snare (see old thread about 13 vs 14 inch), 3 CC101ST's, 1 CC102ST (this is the 3rd tom which has the rim set up as a second Crash), HH10CV hihat pedal (terrific product) and a VK-10 vertikick. Try calling the manager, Tony, at Pintech and see what he can do 1-800-445-0506. I have no affiliation.


              [This message has been edited by Drummersdad (edited May 17, 2001).]

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              • #8
                Hey Drummer's ol' boy

                What about the music stand, where did that come from, it's a beaut!

                Seriously: nice set-up there; you have a lucky son! (Do you play a little also?)

                Andy
                Andy
                TD-20, Pair of JBL-Eon15 G2's & Sub

                Check out the demo tracks to hear my V's at

                http://www.thebrokenangelband.co.uk/

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                • #9
                  Had a couple of Pintech pads and thought they were pretty good. They are really solid and track pretty good once you get them dialed in. I sold the 10 inch dual zone snare a few months ago and the fellow who bought it was really pleased weith it also.

                  I still use the Concertcast Mesh headed kick pad with my TD10/V Pro kit. Saved me a bundle compared to the Roland equivalent. I had to make a minor adjustment to the head tension to settle out the bounce. I use a Pearl double pedal and so far the pad has held up quite well.

                  One thing to remember though, these drums do not need to be hit really hard. If you kick hard the foam behind the mesh gets smashed. It is just the way it is so be careful!

                  I would suggest talking to Tony at Pintech. Easy to talk to and helpful.

                  As for the Pintech cymbals I have no experience with them.

                  Visit my site if you like at
                  http://cyberjam.cjb.net/

                  Good Luck!


                  Kelly Mercer
                  Halifax, Nova Scotia
                  Canada

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                  • #10
                    Drummersdad,

                    I just got the V Session and I am thrilled!I have owned the V Pro, V custom,Hart w/DMPro and Pintech gear at different times. Was fairly pleased with all but the Hart stuff.Nothing was as good as the V Session.

                    What was your final cost for your hybrid kit? I would guess around $3400 icluding all hardware(pedal, snare stand, rack, etc.). Am I close?

                    Cliff

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                    • #11
                      This is long...sorry, but I hope it helps.
                      In reply to Oz and Cliff:
                      Oz - The plexiglass music stand looks good, but I've repaired it three times now and can't recommend it. I don't play drums but enjoy the technology and hack around. I play some guitar and my wife is an accomplished pianist (her late Dad was a Detroit symphony violinist) - so we jam some - a great family activity. I really enjoy Computers/MIDI and that is the real reason I swayed my son to the E-drums. I figure that he gets to play an acoustic set at school in the jazz band, so recordability at home has been helpful.

                      Cliff- Actually I did a spreadsheet and can send you a copy if you want. It came to $2990 including any taxes. This included the TAMA snare stand, 2 extra multiclamps, velcro tie straps, and Pintech mount for the TD-10 (but not the DW pedal). It should easily be duplicated except maybe for the fact that I got the non-expanded TD-10 used for $920 on ebay. Remember, I am also missing 1 crash as compared to a V-session. The savings comes in mainly from the Gibraltar rack (which I can't fault in any way), the kick trigger ($70 vs $320 but fairly cheesy - Pintech does make a better KD120 clone BTW), and the 5 very good pads (under $115 ea for the CC's and $165 for the AX snare - compared to $300 or so each for Roland). I realize I don't have a V-session, but I didn't feel too envious when I try the real V-sessions at Guitar Center.

                      Other stuff:
                      I came to my current setup by originally buying a "special" at Zzounds.com which included an Alesis DM-5 and Pintech system. Most of the parts were sold off over the past 6 months except for the drum triggers which were the only parts that I felt were worthy. The Pintech TC cymbals look cool, but were mediocre and I sold those too. I cursed Pintech drums at first, but gradually realized that all the problems were in the DM5 brain. I can't believe the DM5 and DMPro don't have any velocity control in the high hat pedal circuit for example - just an ON/OFF state! Piss poor performance too with timing delays, occasional extra beats, missed beats, etc. I got the settings adjusted one day, and the next day they seemed to have changed for no reason! For MIDI alone, they may be great machines for the money, but drummers should absolutely steer clear IMO. Good luck. Howard

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                      • #12
                        Drummersdad,

                        The finishing touch is try buying either windsheild washer hose or I heard from Tony at pintech that car door trim is very good for the rims to stop the loud clicking.
                        I have this on my set (almost identical) and it works great. It's cheap and easy to replace when it eventually wears through.
                        Enjoy,
                        Jeff
                        The original Gig Pig.

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                        • #13
                          I have a TD8 which I use with Yamaha dtxpress pads,1 roland PD80R (used as snare) and 1 pintech concercast dual trigger with the mesh head. The Roland is a PD80R and for the price difference (170 compared to 130 for the pintech concertcast ) is well worth the money. The rim triggering (cross stick and rimshot) is a lot more accurate than the pintech, and it gives you the positional sensing, which for me opens up a lot more expression. Dynamic range and tracking is also better.
                          In favour of the pintechs, they feel better than the Yamaha rubber pads, and I will probably buy some more for toms when I can afford them.

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                          • #14
                            Not Roland pads

                            Sorry !
                            I'm trying not to offend anyone, but I personaly think the Roland pads suck.
                            They feel like playing on cardboard boxes.
                            I do not have any real experience with hart,except that @ Namm in 2000 I played the pads that had mesh heads & plastic bottoms like the old Simmons. I did not like the feel of them at all.
                            The new stuff most people rave about on this post.
                            I truly love the way my Pintech's feel,track and hold up. Both live and in the Studio.
                            However !
                            The only electronic cymbals that I can use are the Visulite's.
                            All of the others just do not feel close to a real acoustic cymbal and of course they are not but the Visulite's feel the closest too me.
                            The only other cymbals I would concider are the Harts II's.
                            My experience with my TD 10,is that you can pretty much tweak the Pads and cymbals in as equaly if not better then the Rolands.
                            By the way, when I play Rock I beat the hell out of these drums.
                            Hope this helps
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