Vcymbals and the TDW soundcard

[pete barnett]

Roland UK tell me that for the v cymbals to work properly you need to send the tdw card back and for thm to insert another chip in them..they will do it for free, you just have to pay the shipping..


any thoughts??

[Oz DrumR]

Have you tried the V cymbals? If not, I'd recommend trying them before buying them (I suspect several here have bought them without trying them, purely 'cause they're the latest toy from roland).

I had a play with them on Saturday at the Sydney E-Drum Expo. To be honest, I'm not interested.

Advantages: They look a little more like cymbals (but still, they're black - a la Paiste series from a few years back They're still white underneath so look less like cymbals from the audience's side).

They swing and feel much more like traditional cymbals.

Given these advantages: The HH is still essentially a fixed rubber disk - just looks slightly more realistic. After several sessions with the PD-7 / 9, I personally became used to hitting a fixed pad and felt quite at ease with this.

I didn't think that the V-cymbals triggered as accurately as the PD's. On the ride cymbal, there was a point where I was getting both bell AND bow sound at the same time! Having said this - my guess is that this is down to setup, and the fact that many others had been beating the cymbals before I sat down.

Can't say this for certain, but there did seem a noticable increase in stick noise with the new cymbals (when I heard them demo'd - I heard the stick noise over the PA).

Just a final observation, at the Expo, Jon Farriss (INXS) did some demo-ing. He asked his tech to take the V-cymbals off the kit and put some PD-9's on. He actually commented that he felt more comfortable with the PD-9's .... seems that I'm not the only one who wasn't overly impressed with the V cymbals.

You may have tried these cymbals, and been impressed (like many others on this site) - I don't doubt that they're a good product - It's as with most things, each to their own.
I guess I went there with the impression that the V cymbals would perhaps be a vast leap foreward from my PD-7's, Whilst for some people, they will spell the end of their cymbal disappointment - I didn't find this to be the case . . I'll be sticking (no pun intended!) with my PD-7's (which I'm really happy with).

Sorry that I'm a little off thread here!

Andy

[mcconaghy]

I'll second Andy, try the V-Cymbals before you buy them, I liked the V-Crashes and the V-Ride, but wasn't very keen on the V-HiHats, preferring the PD-7/9s.
The upgrade is worth it, IMO, the cymbal dynamics were definitely improved, and that alone justifies the free upgrade, at least it does to me.
Stu

[puttenvr]

The TDW-1 upgrade may be for free, but the Vcymbals are quite expensive. There are better alternatives around the e-drum world...

[Roberts2]

"There are better alternatives around the e-drum world..."

What are your suggestions????

[9IN]

i can get v cymbals from keyboardshop.com for a low price-vhi for $129, the v crash for $148 and the v ride for $161

[rubbanekk]

Good day everyone!!!
I just wanted to ask Putt(if i may call ya that) What is your intent??
Ive been around this board for a few months (but dont like to post, others already can provide all that i can)
And ill be the first to admit,putt is right up there when it comes to this stuff, hes got a really good idea of e-drums and how they work.
But you dont play a v-drum mod!!!
I could understand sticking around to help others out when it comes to using their v-drum sets, but it does not appear to be your modivation!!! all you ever do is tell others to play ddrum!!!
Ddrums are great AS are v's
Both have the + and -.
Is your goal to degrade every thing roland ever does??? Will you be happy when everyone else has "a little more red" in their set?
Mabye i dont get it,and i i dont sorry, im just puzzled.
Take care

[mcconaghy]

Originally posted by rubbanekk:
Good day everyone!!!
I just wanted to ask Putt(if i may call ya that) What is your intent??
Ive been around this board for a few months (but dont like to post, others already can provide all that i can)
And ill be the first to admit,putt is right up there when it comes to this stuff, hes got a really good idea of e-drums and how they work.
But you dont play a v-drum mod!!!
I could understand sticking around to help others out when it comes to using their v-drum sets, but it does not appear to be your modivation!!! all you ever do is tell others to play ddrum!!!
Ddrums are great AS are v's
Both have the + and -.
Is your goal to degrade every thing roland ever does??? Will you be happy when everyone else has "a little more red" in their set?
Mabye i dont get it,and i i dont sorry, im just puzzled.
Take care

Rob (Rob van Putten, a.k.a. Harold, seminal Dutch drumming legend, inspiration to Cesar Zuiderwijk and general Kaaskopp) used to play V's, until a big red Swede hit him over the head and he converted to Ddrumism. ;-) He knows his stuff, he's had a lot of experience with the TD-10 and TD-7. so he knows quite a bit about Roland's stuff, and has posted many a helpful reply in his 1000+ postings here. Plus he's a nice young fellow.

Stu

[rubbanekk]

Hey all!!!
Im sure he's a great guy, he's always very helpful.
I know he played the TD-10, but that does not explain his intentions, now peaple can like/dislike anything they want. If he likes his ddrums better thats great!!!
Good for him, i like v-drums much better thank you.
I just wanted to know why he spends alot of his time on this board (im not implying he cant spend time here or should leave) im just a curious guy!!!!
take care

[puttenvr]

Originally posted by mcconaghy:
Rob (Rob van Putten, a.k.a. Harold, seminal Dutch drumming legend, inspiration to Cesar Zuiderwijk and general Kaaskopp) used to play V's, until a big red Swede hit him over the head and he converted to Ddrumism. ;-) He knows his stuff, he's had a lot of experience with the TD-10 and TD-7. so he knows quite a bit about Roland's stuff, and has posted many a helpful reply in his 1000+ postings here. Plus he's a nice young fellow.

Stu

Tears in my eyes (although I am not young anymore) I am very busy on www.ddrums.com so currently I can not always respond to messages so quickly like I did before. So here is - with a delay of 5 seconds - my answer.

My intents are:
a. to talk about e-drums in general
b. to talk about Vdrums
c. to discuss about the differences between Vdrums and ddrums, knowing that both modules have their pros and cons. I do learn from those discussions still.
d. to help people with their questions.

Originally posted by rubbanekk:
... all you ever do is tell others to play ddrum!!!

Not true. You should count all my posts in which I encourage people to play the Vdrums if they want to play ..... etc.

[puttenvr]

Originally posted by Roberts2:
"There are better alternatives around the e-drum world..."

What are your suggestions????

Hart Dynamics, Visu-lite, Pintech. Even the Yamaha pads.

[Roberts2]

Thanks puttenvr,
I'm eyeing the Visu-lites and the Hart E-cymbal to go with V-pro's any comments. I wish I had a place to try them.

[Tom Berry]

The prices at keyboardshop.com do not include freight. Their freight charge to the USA is $86.00 for any of the vcymbals.

[criewe]

Its still a great deal especially if you buy all four. I wonder if they are in-stock

Chuck

[BillC]

Stu,

>>The upgrade is worth it, IMO, the cymbal dynamics were definitely improved, and that alone justifies the free upgrade, at least it does to me.<<

Are you saying that the TDW-1 upgrade for the V-Cymbals improves the cymbal sounds? I had understood it only handled the ride cymbal's special input requirements...