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**szvook** · 03-27-01, 03:17 PM

The black heads are the mesh heads � they come in single ply and double ply, the double ply is better.

The other (white) head is a standard Mylar head.

The pads will trigger well with V-drums, but they will not be able to trigger from the rim, only from the head. However, the TD-10 and the Hart pads have intermittent issues with triggering. Some times the pads work well and some times they act up. This is only related to the TD-10 module, the TD-8 works great with the Hart pads/cymbals.

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**sjg** · 03-27-01, 07:13 PM

What issues would those be? I've been using Hart's Series X mesh-head pads with my TD-10 for well over a year with zero triggering issues. The only issues I have seen discussed on the site are with positional sensing on the Accusnare pad (which I personally have never experienced on mine), and with dual-zone operation on the Hart ride cymbal pad (which is easily worked around with a Y cable).

If you have any information on how the Hart pads act up, I'd like to hear about it. I haven't been very active on this site since I got the studio completed, so I may have missed some discussion over the last 6 months or so. In any case, I have not encountered this yet...

**szvook** · 03-27-01, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by sjg:
What issues would those be? I've been using Hart's Series X mesh-head pads with my TD-10 for well over a year with zero triggering issues. The only issues I have seen discussed on the site are with positional sensing on the Accusnare pad (which I personally have never experienced on mine), and with dual-zone operation on the Hart ride cymbal pad (which is easily worked around with a Y cable).

If you have any information on how the Hart pads act up, I'd like to hear about it. I haven't been very active on this site since I got the studio completed, so I may have missed some discussion over the last 6 months or so. In any case, I have not encountered this yet...

Sjg,

I spoke with Peter Hart recently regarding the issue with the TD-10 and Hart pads/cymbals.

Peter Hart mentioned that some times the Hart products and the TD-10 don�t see eye to eye. At time the pads would work flawlessly and at times the respond from the pads were a bit low in volume and the sensitivity would be intermittent after turning the TD-10 off then on. Peter Hart also mentioned that the TD-10xp did not act up as much as the TD-10 without the expansion card and the TD-10 would act up intermittently and he does not know why. He tried a few TD-10 at the same time with his products and not all of them acted up, some performed flawlessly and that have gotten him to respond with �I can�t explain why some TD-10�s act up and some do not at ALL�.

With the TD-8, he did not have any problems no mater how many TD-8�s he was testing with his products.

As far as the performance of the TD-8 and Hart pads/cymbals � I have the same response as you are getting from the combination (Hart & TD-10xp). The Hart and Roland work without a glitch and I� am able to get my drums to work perfectly in every sense, especially with the positional sensing on the Acusnare just like you, sjg!

This is what I have spoke to Peter Hart about and his responses to the TD-10 & Hart combination are pretty much verbatim as listed above.

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[This message has been edited by szvook (edited March 27, 2001).]

**bad karma** · 03-27-01, 11:22 PM

I have a non exp td-10 with hart padfs & e-cymbal 2's. I absolutely love them! very responsive,no triggering problems here. I highly recommend them. they are (in my opinon) the best bang for the $.

good luck and happy drumming...or is that hunting?

**Eric** · 03-28-01, 12:05 AM

You certainly won't go wrong with the Hart pads. Anyone who is having trouble with them and the module they are using must not have it tweeked correctly. I would certainly go with the series X pads (black mesh) as well.

You might also want to check out the Hart Multi-pad or the Roland SPD20

**Jgel** · 03-28-01, 10:12 AM

OK thanks guys, you have been a great help so far, another question.....what is a good price for the black mesh pads, and where can I get them online. Any help again would be great. Thanks, again.

**szvook** · 03-28-01, 01:09 PM

Try www.sepdrums.com

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**Jgel** · 03-28-01, 02:35 PM

What is the difference between the Series X and the Series X PRO???

**szvook** · 03-28-01, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by Jgel:
What is the difference between the Series X and the Series X PRO???

Only the look.

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**sjg** · 03-29-01, 12:20 PM

Thanks very much for the response and clarification. I haven't talked to Hart in quite some time, so that explains that...

**Eric** · 03-29-01, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by Jgel:
What is the difference between the Series X and the Series X PRO???

Actually, Series X designates the black mesh heads. They have 3 lines: studio, custom, and pro. The studio line drums are matte black finish. The custom and pro are laquer finishes. All 3 drums play the same. There are more differences when you purchase the actual kits together, but for just purchasing pads separately the color is the only difference between them.

**drewdrum** · 03-30-01, 03:04 PM

I'm planning on going with a Hart GigaPro set with the TD-10 module. I like the Hart pads better, but I do have some concerns:

1) How loud are the ECII cymbals (with and without the gum rubber), especially the metal HH and Ride? I live in a townhome and will play in the basement. Will the neighbors hear? Try to give me a sound that is of comparable volume so I can test for myself. Are they louder than Roland's PD-7s and 9s?

2) It sounds as if the Hart pads and cyms are compatible with the TD-10, however, as szvook stated, not always. How can I be sure?

3) How heavey duty is the Hartware? What is the piping made of? Are the clamps as good as Gibralters? Do the clamps open for easy removal? How does the whole thing compare to the Gibralter Road Series racks?

**drewdrum** · 03-30-01, 03:08 PM

By the way. Regarding the above post, I'm getting the Giga Pro X (with the Series X pads) and double mesh heads.

**antinucci** · 03-30-01, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by drewdrum:
I'm planning on going with a Hart GigaPro set with the TD-10 module. I like the Hart pads better, but I do have some concerns:

1) How loud are the ECII cymbals (with and without the gum rubber), especially the metal HH and Ride? I live in a townhome and will play in the basement. Will the neighbors hear? Try to give me a sound that is of comparable volume so I can test for myself. Are they louder than Roland's PD-7s and 9s?

2) It sounds as if the Hart pads and cyms are compatible with the TD-10, however, as szvook stated, not always. How can I be sure?

3) How heavey duty is the Hartware? What is the piping made of? Are the clamps as good as Gibralters? Do the clamps open for easy removal? How does the whole thing compare to the Gibralter Road Series racks?

1) You should be fine in your townhome in the basement. They are louder... Take your drum stick and hit a hard surface, like a table top. That is what it sounds like.

2) Completley compatable

3) The Hartware is the best out, IMHO. Professional quality stuff... My rack does not move a bit. The clamps are top notch.

I absolutley love my kit, and would not change a thing...

picture: http://www.systolic-usa.com/kit.jpg

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