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  • Sonic Maxamizer

    I have read in other threads some guys using a BBE 482 model sonic maxamizer with positive results. Recently I have come across a used BBE 402 model sonic maxamizer. It is still a single rack space, stereo unit. (as I have seen half rack units) My question is, I know this is apparently an older model but does it compare in performance to the 482? They look almost idenical. Unfortunately the store does not have any of the 482's currently in stock for me to compare it with. Any thoughts?

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    I have hot played with the 402 model Ė just the 362SW, 482 & 882, but Ií am sure for applications requiring low noise, high headroom, the newer models are stronger. Try to email the BBE crew [email protected] and see if they can tell you about the 402 and how it compares with the current stuff.

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    • #3
      This is for 'szvook'.

      Dude - you have totally blown my mind recently with your detailed, thought provoking, and all around excellant balanced posts and replys regarding signal processors and out-board effects. This is Internet Community at it's best!! I have learned more from reading, re-reading, and searching your posts in the last month about quality 'live' sound then I ever knew was possible. My hats off to you. Thanks.

      I humbly request that you take the time and post a very detailed thread under 'Tips' for use of 'out-gear' by us 'un-informed'. Heck, before VDrums, I didn't even know what effects were, let alone compression, delay, reverb, etc. I just hit 'em hard, and hoped I kept time!! As a wise man once said, "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear." I for one am ready!

      Well my band has just cut a demo CD song, is getting ready to do some serious studio time, and significant live performances are right around the corner. I love the TD-10exp sound when recording, but live (with my JBL EON 15PAK), although as good as my acoustics (un-mixed) ever were, has always been less than what I know the potential could be.

      Tax refund is coming, and due to your posts, I am seriously looking at, at a minimum, a BBE 462 from EBay (or a 482/882 should $$ come available) to compliment my JBL MusicMix10, as well as getting 2 new Mackie SRM450s or JBL EON 15 G2's. A sub-woofer would be nice too!!

      Confusion sets in though as to where I place the BBE. Between the TD-10 and the Mixer (hence limiting my TD-10 output options), or between the mixer and the speakers?!? (Life is really good when we have these type of problems!) New VCymbals be damned, I'm going for more quailty SOUND!!!

      My wife, bless her heart, says get what ever I want (I have her convinced I deserve it! Ha!). But as a novice in the sound amplification arena, I'm using this site (and great people like you) to help me make an informed decision regarding what I may need for my set-up and gigs. Truth be told, I'm still a bit lost about 'out-gear effects', and spent an hour tonight learning (after almost 2 years) about the TD-10 effects capabilities. This module has a lot of potential when properly used!!

      Anyhow, short story long, I have a feeling I'm not the only VDrummer out there who has been paying particular attention to your posts/replys, trying to catch up on the learning curve. Any help you can provide (in a seperate 'Tips' post) regarding recommended 'out-gear', brands, pros/cons, placements, hot stock tips in a bear market, etc., etc., would be greatly appreciated. And if your not inclined or able to spend the time/energy, that's cool; I have at least finally mastered the search and print function!!

      Jam on!! Tom.
      Driving a great song is better than driving a great car!!

      http://mysite.verizon.net/landin82/

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      • #4
        Tom, thank you for the kind words.

        Ií am just as happy to lend my experience from playing edrums as Ií am happy to learn as well from solid responses on this forum. My hat is off to all of edrummers here.

        Being in a band with two professional sound engineers enabled me to learn a lot. Especially applying different signal processing equipment in numerous combinations, which subsequently helped me a lot to get my TD-8 to sound great.

        Since you are using an outboard mixer and I presume you are using the TD-10ís outputs with kick, snare, toms, hats, etc assigned per channel on your mixer, the BBE can be applied a few ways to give you optimum response from the TD-10.

        1. You could try to run the kick and snare through the BBE in mono into the mixer's kick and snare channels and the rest of the TD-10 by it self into the mixer. Then feed the entire TD-10 signal to the speakers. Usually the kick and the snare lack the punch in a live or recording situation. Boosting the kick and snare through the BBE might be enough and the rest of the TD-10 might not need the boost. You have to experiment a bit, but it might work that way and the BBE could be used for the kick and snare alone and you will have independent boost control for both of them.


        2. Or you could feed the TD-10ís stereo signal from the mixer through the BBE into your speakers and just try the overall boost to the TD-10. In some cases, running the drum modules left output through one of BBEís channels and into the house PA and the modules right output through the BBE to your reference monitors will give you a good response as well with a boost to the house PA and your own stage monitors (if available). Although itís in mono, the affect could work well based on the size of the venue. If running the TD-10 through the BEE in stereo and into your speakers is your choice, than play with the kick and snare channels of your outboard mixer a bit more: EQ and gain specifically.


        Once you will add either the 462 or 482 or 882 (all will give you a new respect for the TD-10) to your set up, you will want more signal processors to boost the signals in a additional way Ė that is an known fact amongst the techno musicians and sound engineers, but the results are noticeable in a big way!
        Essentially having each output from the back of your TD-10, that has its own channel on the outboard mixer, being fed through its own channel in a signal processor Ė is the way to bring out the dynamics and have individual control. But that is later on. With one BBE and EQ/gain per channel from your mixer, you should find the TD-10 to sound much better than you anticipated.

        One more item. If you get a sub later on, the TD-10 through the BBE will take you a notch higher and you might find that grinning all the time will become a new habit.

        ANY time I can put my 0.02 cents in and it counts, please donít hesitate to ask.


        Peace.


        Oh yes. Are your Zildjianís part of your e-set for live/recording applications?

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        [This message has been edited by szvook (edited March 21, 2001).]

        [This message has been edited by szvook (edited March 21, 2001).]
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        • #5
          I echo TomLandin. szvook's posts and replies are great. What I particularly appreciate is his courtesy in replies. He does not talk down to those of us that are trying to learn. Keep in mind, many of us are new to the electronic's and technology, not new to drums. We are trying to learn and this bulletin board is a great asset for that. Thanks again szvook.

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          • #6
            Any time!!!!

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            • #7
              Do these processors do much in a home environment, especially when using headphones?

              Craig
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              • #8
                [QUOTE]Originally posted by CKovatch:
                [B]Do these processors do much in a home environment, especially when using headphones?


                A difference will be noticed through headphones, but not as much as it would be noticed through a PA. The punch/boost to the sounds will sound like a crisp affect through headphones, but through a PA, the actual punch/boost will be more evident and FELT.


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                • #9
                  szvook: I just ordered the BBE 882. I plan on using it for my bass drum and snare. Do you have any suggestions on how to set it up?
                  Also, I plan on running an efx processor soon. Is there any order of running these things that work best? I am assuming that I would run into my BBE first and then inti the efx unit then to the board.

                  Thanks for your help. Can't wait to hear the BBE in action.

                  Kurt
                  Kurt

                  Pearl drums converted with hart adc, roland kd7's, pd 120 for snare, various roland rubber pads, hart e cymbals and pads, td8, td6, 2 mackie srm450s and mackie sub. mackie sr 24-4 mixer........and always growing.

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                  • #10
                    I agree 100% with TomLandin about szvook's posts. Thank You szvook!!!!
                    V-Club

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                    • #11
                      Actually I want to thank everyone on here for their posts, I've learned so much here the past few months.
                      V-Club

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                      • #12
                        Small side note on the original topic: My in-dash CD receiver (JVC) has BBE processing built in. Turning it on is like night and day in terms of the CD and radio sound quality! When it's off, the sound is very flat and also not very loud. (Even though I have decent speakers and it's a 25 w/ch receiver.) Hit the blue button and the music just punches through!

                        I play my Customs through a G2 (might get a 2nd someday) for jams and small parties, and it works fine for me. I'm not too keen on getting a bunch of extra outboard stuff. (I'm also not a pro by any means!! $^) However, based on comments here and on my own car receiver, I think I might just pick up the BBE 482. And if I get a 2nd G2, I can put the TD8 L and R outputs through the BBE's 2 channels and into the 2 amps. For $200, why not?

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                        • #13
                          OK, I've been motivated by szvook to get a BBE. Picked up a used BBE 462 off of EBay yesterday for $115 delivered. I will post later as to the 'improvement' through my JBL EON 15Pak, and my churches main PA system.

                          [This message has been edited by TomLandin (edited March 26, 2001).]
                          Driving a great song is better than driving a great car!!

                          http://mysite.verizon.net/landin82/

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                          • #14
                            [QUOTE]Originally posted by rudi-mint:
                            [B]szvook: "I just ordered the BBE 882. I plan on using it for my bass drum and snare. Do you have any suggestions on how to set it up?
                            Also, I plan on running an efx processor soon. Is there any order of running these things that work best? I am assuming that I would run into my BBE first and then inti the efx unit then to the board."


                            Run the kick output from the TD-8 into the left channel of the BBE (or the right cannel, up to you). Run the snare output into the other channel of the BBE. Use the two other outputs from the BBE in conjunction with your efx processor (when you get it) and yes run it into the board for the final stop.

                            For now, run the kick and snare signals from the BBE into the board and individual cannels respectfully. Try to use the BBE more to EQ the signal then the board EQ for now. When you get your efx, use it for the final EQ touch up primarily. The board EQ is really the last thing you want to touch for the EQ boost. The big boards are really the ones the have better EQ perimeters for the engineers to use unlike the smaller 12-16 channels boards, so donít rely on your board EQ as the main EQ for the signal. It acts more as a touch up EQ if needed. For instance if you are going to play out and the EQ needs a boost, then you donít want to push the signal processors EQ to its max, but rather use the board. Some people use a different way to boost the EQ and stick to using the signal processors less and use the board EQ more Ė you results may vary, so try a few ways to get the best result for you.

                            BBE has two independent channels, each with a frequency knob and a boost knob (sort of speak). Take off the EQ internally from the TD-8 first (if using the internal EQ), to get an idea what the BBE can do to dry sounds. Play around a bit with BBE each channel and add or remove other EQ from the board - if you see (hear) a need for it. The boardís mid range EQ will come into play a bit more, so play with it.


                            Good luck and enjoy!!!!


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                            [This message has been edited by szvook (edited March 26, 2001).]

                            [This message has been edited by szvook (edited March 26, 2001).]
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by drmoze:
                              Small side note on the original topic: My in-dash CD receiver (JVC) has BBE processing built in. Turning it on is like night and day in terms of the CD and radio sound quality! When it's off, the sound is very flat and also not very loud. (Even though I have decent speakers and it's a 25 w/ch receiver.) Hit the blue button and the music just punches through!

                              I play my Customs through a G2 (might get a 2nd someday) for jams and small parties, and it works fine for me. I'm not too keen on getting a bunch of extra outboard stuff. (I'm also not a pro by any means!! $^) However, based on comments here and on my own car receiver, I think I might just pick up the BBE 482. And if I get a 2nd G2, I can put the TD8 L and R outputs through the BBE's 2 channels and into the 2 amps. For $200, why not?
                              Go for it!!! It will give your over all mix from the TD-8 a jolt! Once you try the BBE (or any sonic maximizer) you won't go back to the TD's just by them self's - EVER!



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