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  • #31
    Originally posted by perceval View Post

    Sooooo....

    Ex-Roland employees kinda copy what other ex-Roland employees did already, but with less functionalities, and no future expansion provided.

    Hmmm... I wonder what the targeted niche market is aimed at....
    Don't be so fast.

    It's an unfinished product. Even though NAMM etc. are 'trade' shows, it's common practice for manufacturers to show pre-production units and design studies. Which, generally, is a good thing. I'm working on a MI-software manufacturer end myself, we devs love these shows for the core idea: bringing people together and gather feedback, show some transparency and offer preview insights into something under in-house test. What nobody wants or needs is early judgements, conspiracy and hearsay. But... we're living in difficult times in this regard...

    Specs say there's a 2in/8out audio device included, along with USB functionality. What this means - at least for me as a dev - the firmware could support adding samples, or even provide onboard realtime capture. The latter might be limited by UI design constraints, though. Many manufacturers use at least an ARM M4 or similar driven HW design, some use the newer M7 which provide an abundance of hourse power for an edrum unit. [Ok, I might be speculating myself, so I'd shut up on this one.]
    Bottleneck is mostly UI design and workflow. What users might complain about in recent units is most often a design decision. In the software market there's a common saying that adding one element, knob or button costs 10% of potential users. The less controls and the more easy a workflow is, the more disruptive a unit can become (provided the underlying tech works as advertised). Best example: the first iPhones and other Apple designs under the former Jobs regime; suddenly millions of people with a hi-tech aversion adopted all these things as if it were the most natural thing.
    Forums such as this, and its users, are the tip of the iceberg. We're experts, in a way. But you rarely see all the rest that just embrace and use electronic devices day to day but never show up. And that's not hearsay, that's personal experience developing for MI-based companies for 2 decades. We all listen to users and consults forums but in the end, sales figures complete the picture.
    Last edited by sascha; 01-18-20, 05:17 AM.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by sascha View Post

      Don't be so fast.

      It's an unfinished product. ....

      Specs say there's a 2in/8out audio device included, along with USB functionality. What this means - at least for me as a dev - the firmware could support adding samples, or even provide onboard realtime capture. ....
      I might be fast, but you are speculating against what has been mentioned by Peter., who spoke to actual people at EF Note.

      ...In the software market there's a common saying that adding one element, knob or button costs 10% of potential users. The less controls and the more easy a workflow is, the more disruptive a unit can become ....
      Forums such as this, and its users, are the tip of the iceberg. We're experts, in a way. But you rarely see all the rest that just embrace and use electronic devices day to day but never show up. And that's not hearsay, that's personal experience developing for MI-based companies for 2 decades. We all listen to users and consults forums but in the end, sales figures complete the picture.
      That's why there are companies like Medelli, and the likes. They cater to the masses that just want something that looks vaguely like a drum kit and bang on it without spending much more than a regular toy.

      Clearly, the EF Note is NOT aimed at that market, and priced accordingly.
      It is from a bunch of former Roland employees, and that gang likes to make sure their system is closed. They clearly haven't been keeping up with the trend their product seems to be aimed at, coming up with yet another modelled-sound module.

      I'm sorry if I sound negative, I don't want to be.
      And it's nothing against you, Sascha.

      But re-hashing old tech by a bunch of old employees is getting tiring.

      I can only guess that Roland came up with the 306 and 506 kits because they had heard that EF Note was going to do so.

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      • #33
        I'm pretty sure those guys have done their homework.
        I'm addition, I never trust sales people. And those are what most companies send to trade shows. Often they have no clue what devs actually implemented as own vision, and because getting back to the drawing board and revising a given platform is costly and tedious. Many products are capable of much more under the hood, and too often features have to stay locked because the marketing department thinks so.
        That being said, give them some time.
        gear: MarkDrum YES e-kit highly modified (low-volume trigger cymbals, 16" DIY kick, 12" DIY snare + tom 3, Goedrum HH controller), Triggera 10" splash
        band: http://theboardmusic.com

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        • #34
          I think 1 proprietary trigger per module is acceptable - as long as it includes demonstrably better advantages for it.

          You're basically raising the baseline price if the customer is forced to use a proprietary pad with a module if no alternative exists.

          I will criticize the choice of connection though; if the advanced trigger exceeds what a TRS can carry, pick USB for goodness sake! Let's evolve in the same direction people, basic USB cables are cheap and plentiful.

          If basic USB isn't enough, pay up for USB C - but I expect to see any optical sensors powered over USB with both hi-hat and pedal signals delivered through 1 cable to the module.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by puttenvr View Post



            Did ATV split into a new company Efnote?
            The drums look virtually identical to the ATV aDrums, except for color.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by puttenvr View Post



              Did ATV split into a new company Efnote?
              Losing some talent might explain ATV’s abrupt loss of focus and ability to deliver on targets. Just speculation at this point, though. I’m sure a big company like Roland is a revolving-door for engineers.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by perceval View Post

                I might be fast, but you are speculating against what has been mentioned by Peter., who spoke to actual people at EF Note.



                That's why there are companies like Medelli, and the likes. They cater to the masses that just want something that looks vaguely like a drum kit and bang on it without spending much more than a regular toy.

                Clearly, the EF Note is NOT aimed at that market, and priced accordingly.
                It is from a bunch of former Roland employees, and that gang likes to make sure their system is closed. They clearly haven't been keeping up with the trend their product seems to be aimed at, coming up with yet another modelled-sound module.

                I'm sorry if I sound negative, I don't want to be.
                And it's nothing against you, Sascha.

                But re-hashing old tech by a bunch of old employees is getting tiring.

                I can only guess that Roland came up with the 306 and 506 kits because they had heard that EF Note was going to do so.
                The person was from Japan and seemed to be very involved with the company. It does make sense that they could change it to allow imports.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by sascha View Post
                  IIn addition, I never trust sales people. And those are what most companies send to trade shows.
                  Ha! Ain't that the truth. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve carefully researched a product (car, appliance, instrument, etc.) online, and by the time I get to the showroom with the final few questions, I know far more about the product than the sales staff. With a few exceptions in very high-end categories, these people are not product specialists, and could be selling furniture one week and something entirely different the next.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by puttenvr View Post



                    Did ATV split into a new company Efnote?
                    I don't think, atv was already small, how this could happens even more smaller again? to make kits and module in prototype, would take a bit more time.
                    Last edited by Chris K; 01-18-20, 01:47 PM.

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                    • #40
                      I just saw the EF Note 5 brochure. Looks pretty nice, and includes nice cymbal sizes: 14" hats, 18" ride, 16" crash, and even an 8" splash. Shell sizes are odd, I think they should've gone a little bit bigger. I mean, a 12" floor tom? No thanks. The white/silver sparkle shell wrap is a refreshing change from the norm. That name, though - EF Note? Doesn't exactly roll off of the tongue. Looks like there is also an EF Note 7 on the horizon, as well as a 3X (looks like a more premium version of the 3) and a range of monitors. Best of luck to them, hoping for non-proprietary hardware, even though I'm not personally in the market right now.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by MJB View Post
                        I just saw the EF Note 5 brochure. Looks pretty nice, and includes nice cymbal sizes: 14" hats, 18" ride, 16" crash, and even an 8" splash. Shell sizes are odd, I think they should've gone a little bit bigger. I mean, a 12" floor tom? No thanks. The white/silver sparkle shell wrap is a refreshing change from the norm. That name, though - EF Note? Doesn't exactly roll off of the tongue. Looks like there is also an EF Note 7 on the horizon, as well as a 3X (looks like a more premium version of the 3) and a range of monitors. Best of luck to them, hoping for non-proprietary hardware, even though I'm not personally in the market right now.
                        They even have 20" ride too

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                        • #42
                          20" ride cymbal

                          EF Note 20 ride cymbal.JPG

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by tivi View Post
                            WANT! It will be interesting to see what kind of connections this kit incorporates, hopefully 1/4" TRS and it plays well with other modules. That is, if this thing ever comes to market. Until it's listed for sale somewhere, it's just a good idea and a prototype, IMO.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by MJB View Post

                              WANT! It will be interesting to see what kind of connections this kit incorporates, hopefully 1/4" TRS and it plays well with other modules. That is, if this thing ever comes to market. Until it's listed for sale somewhere, it's just a good idea and a prototype, IMO.
                              I think its atv replica usual trs connection will works unless no individual parts to sell only kit.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by puttenvr View Post



                                Did ATV split into a new company Efnote?
                                Ok after discussion with Eric he meet them at NAMM, the engineers of enote, is the same who did atv kit, worked on Roland for 20 years previously, now we see connection, hence why it's so similar. Did one or 2 split? I don't know.
                                Last edited by Chris K; 01-19-20, 08:36 PM.

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